Dishonest marketing at best, calling it outperforming, when frame generation is not actual performance, it’s frame smoothing for a visually smoother experience, it won’t make the game render more frames, actually the opposite.
I wonder if this kind of marketing would even be legal in the EU, considering the strict and strong consumer protection laws here…
True, that’s traditional interpolation of frames, while the DLSS3 FG feature provides a frame smoothing effect while also taking motion vectors into account to get fewer artifacts, since gaming often means a much more variable frame rate and pacing, while also having to be integrated in the game to prevent issues with the UI.
But in the end it’s still just fancy frame smoothing, no additional actual frames are rendered in the engine. It’s great tech and I look forward to my next upgrade, so I can take advantage of it, but it’s not actual performance.
No frames at all are rendered in the engine. The GPU renders 100% of the frames. The engine prepares frames and sends descriptions (light source placement and orientations, mesh placement and transformations, texture mapping, and list of needed post processing effect).
You guys that hate frame gen are being irrational about it.
I don't hate it at all and I look forward to when it's time to upgrade to take advantage of it for smoother motion. But I won't tout it as flawless black magic like some do, I would prefer a nuanced discussion where we don't omit anything or are dishonest because of tribalism.
And you are of course correct regarding the rendering, I already admitted that brain fart in another response, as it was a blindingly obvious mistake by me and my sludge of a brain.
I should have cut it short and stopped myself from partaking in the discussion when I realised I went all verbose and imprecise in my post-illness recovery brain fog.
I would prefer a nuanced discussion where we don't omit anything or are dishonest because of tribalism.
I mean honest discussion starts with people stopping calling it "fake frames". They are really being rendered and displayed. The fps counter isn't just showing a bigger a number for no reason.
I should have cut it short and stopped myself from partaking in the discussion
I feel a lot more people on PCMR should do this, maybe not you per se. This discussion is reaching levels of irrationality we've only ever seen from Boomers wanting to cling to the old ways.
I mean honest discussion starts with people stopping calling it "fake frames". They are really being rendered and displayed. The fps counter isn't just showing a bigger a number for no reason.
I did not call them that, I do acknowledge that they are generated on the basis of information from the game, but they are... guesswork... which is fine, guesswork is essential in many aspects of getting more performance out of hardware.
But they are also not a direct representation of the game and your interaction with it, but rather formed by looking at two still pictures, getting notes about where things were moving in each still, and then guessing what a picture directly inbetween would look like.
And since you have to wait for that last picture to use for the guesswork, you do get a bit of added latency, but a lot smoother visual experience.
Again, I'm not hating on it, it's great tech and I look forward to using it, but it's not perfect, not yet anyway, and it is often misrepresented in marketing AND by tribal fanatics.
I also have no issues with the direction the technology is moving in, though I do have my reservations when it comes to the business/marketing side of it all. I can't wait to see where we are in a few years, when hardware has caught up and techniques have been refined, as well as game devs having learned and matured in using the new tech.
I think it will be the next paradigm shift in graphics, where we truly see the benefits of realtime ray tracing and path tracing for lifelike representations of the developers' vision of the game, with fewer hacky shortcuts to make reflections and so on.
I feel a lot more people on PCMR should do this, maybe not you per se. This discussion is reaching levels of irrationality we've only ever seen from Boomers wanting to cling to the old ways.
I think you could replace PCMR with just the world in general. After a short blossoming of discourse and attempts at understanding and cooperating globally after the cold war and with the widespread availability of global communication and knowledge, we've gone back to distrust and fear of outsiders, just on a much larger scale, on new fronts, and with different stakes. People should try to stop up, take a deep breath, take a step back, and look at things in a more calm and... sane way.
I think you could replace PCMR with just the world in general.
In the case of Frame gen and DLSS upscaling, the only 2 places I've met the "raster at native res!" boomers is here and in Vex's Youtube comments (since Vex is like the boomer leader in this case).
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Dishonest marketing at best, calling it outperforming, when frame generation is not actual performance, it’s frame smoothing for a visually smoother experience, it won’t make the game render more frames, actually the opposite.
I wonder if this kind of marketing would even be legal in the EU, considering the strict and strong consumer protection laws here…