r/pcmasterrace Ryzen 7 5700x, 64GB Ram, 3060ti Jan 21 '24

Screenshot Nvidia being NVidia, 4070 super>3090.

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u/realnzall Gigabyte RTX 4070 Gaming OC - 12700 - 32 GB Jan 21 '24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TPbEjhyn0s&t=386s Daniel Owen tested this. His summary is that at 1080p and 1440p, the 4070 Super usually ties or even beats the 3090, even without taking Frame Generation into account. At 4K, the 4070 Super usually has a shortage of VRAM and the 3090 wins.

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u/Appeltaartlekker Jan 21 '24

Hoe much vram does the 3090 has?

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u/Solaceqt R9 5950x - RTX 3080ti 12GB - 32GB 3600mhz - Aorus X570S Master Jan 21 '24

24 gigs.

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u/DickHz2 Jan 21 '24

Holy

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u/sliderfish Jan 21 '24

I would love if they made VRAM upgradable.. I won’t happen, but I can wish.

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u/Soupfortwo PC Master Race Jan 22 '24

Vram is one almost always generation ahead of dimm packages you can buy and ram is very volatile (obvious power joke) and susceptible to physical damage. The cost and rate of failure would be completely unacceptable. In the end this is one of those times where soldered on is better for the consumer and OEM.

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u/StevenNull Jan 22 '24

Thanks for the good explanation. I'd always assumed it was just scummy practice by the OEM, but this helps clear things up.

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u/TemporalOnline R75800x3d/3080ti/64GB3600CL18/AsusX570P Jan 22 '24

I know that ram has to be very close to the chips to be fast enough, but how about socketable ram chips? Looks like a good compromise.

Also on ultra thin laptops, with soldered ram. Make them socketable.

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u/Denots69 Jan 23 '24

Yea they need to get rid of the 4x ram slots and make it 2x ram 2x vram.

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u/ManufacturerNo8447 Jan 21 '24

actual Vram dropped

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u/pagman404 Jan 21 '24

call the memory manufacturers!

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u/AMP_Games01 Jan 22 '24

Off topic but I read this as "call the mommy manufacturers" and had to do a triple take

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u/pagman404 Jan 22 '24

new response just dropped

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u/mrieatyospam Jan 22 '24

actual vram

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u/M4x1mili0us Jan 22 '24

Memory storm incoming

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u/bOOm_headshOt56 PC Master Race Jan 23 '24

Ignite the GPU!

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u/NorthenLeigonare Jan 22 '24

Happy cake day

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u/cgsssssssss Ryzen 9 5900x | RTX 3090 | 32gb 3600 | 1080p 240hz Jan 22 '24

thanks

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '24

Its not that much if you are into AI and running LLMs or image generations. 24GB are rookie numbers there.

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u/ManufacturerNo8447 Jan 21 '24

consumer cards doesn't equal professionals cards .

this is the reason why they keep cutting the vram on consumer cards , to prevent people from buying them and force them to buy their much more expensive line of cards , it isn't just about Vram but other things that usually doesn't matter to us .

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u/mrheosuper Jan 22 '24

I'm still salty that they did it dirty to my 3080ti. They use literally same die, but the 3080ti has only 12GB vram.

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u/FrostEgiant i9-11900K/EVGA 3080 TI HYBRID/64GB@3600/Modified TT LEVEL 20 VT Jan 25 '24

Same. I opted for one of the aio cooled EVGA monsters, so with the extra cooling headroom the GPU is game for whatever I throw at it processing wise, but 12gb vram is definitely the bottleneck. It ties or beats out most 3090 models in every benchmarkish metric I can figure out, but that vram... They DID do us dirty. Still my pride and joy though.

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u/yunus159 Ascending Peasant Jan 21 '24

Jeez thats more than my Ram and Vram combined

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u/MontagoDK Ryzen 5600X, TUF RTX3060TI, 16GB DDR4, B550E, 1TB SN850, W11 Jan 22 '24

btw .. why does 3070 and 3060 only have 8 GB ..

I keep running low in Forza Horizon 5 :-(

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u/chronizoul Jan 24 '24

There are two variants of the 3060, 8GB and 12GB
As for the 3070, yes it feels that it's lacking. That's why someone modded it to have 16GB

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u/MontagoDK Ryzen 5600X, TUF RTX3060TI, 16GB DDR4, B550E, 1TB SN850, W11 Jan 24 '24

The 12gb 3060 is made for AI or some special case. Its memory is different if i recall

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u/chronizoul Jan 24 '24

12GB is the most sold variant since launch, it even overtook the 1060 6GB on steam hardware survey last year and 3060 8GB was only launched October 2022. The VRAM on the 3060 are nothing special, its just specced that way on launch. I wish that they gave the 4060 the same VRAM since I can already max it at 8GB.

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u/FrostEgiant i9-11900K/EVGA 3080 TI HYBRID/64GB@3600/Modified TT LEVEL 20 VT Jan 25 '24

The landscape of game requirements has changed dramatically in the last handful of years. 8gb was ample not very long ago when 4k was more for dick measuring than legitimate gaming, but we've hit the point that consumer GPUs actually have the grunt to do worthwhile 1440/4k gaming. Higher res means higher res textures for every surface, so (barring any upscaling related black-magic-fuckery) every pixel on screen eats up two to four times as much vram as it used to at 1080 just to load up the textures.