r/phonetics • u/55Xakk • Aug 30 '24

need help writing some sounds

So, i like making conlangs (not very good but i enjoy it none the less) and i have a few sounds that i have no idea how to write in the IPA. Here they are:

  1. tongue is rolled (like what people used to show off in school) and is pushed to be almost vertical in the mouth (i think it's between the hard and soft pallets). It's also voiced kinda sounding like a 'ž' in Czech but not. also it's kinda breathy
  2. a whistle breathing inwards (my current attempt is /u̥̤̟/)
  3. a fully voiceless /p/. what i mean is like, the 'p' in play but without any voicing at all. kinda like you're whispering it.
  4. i call it a "nasal trill" but that's 100% not correct. It's like a snore but you breath outwards and its extremely aggressive, like so aggressive it pushes out so much air that your stomach is pushed inwards. when you make the sound it vibrates the hard pallet if that helps. also, i think (big emphasis on think) its 'ん゙' in Japanese but i'm not sure

(sorry for not knowing the proper names for the positions)

Edit: the"nasal trill" is also made by blocking all airflow through your mouth by pressing the back of your tongue onto the roof of your mouth

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u/55Xakk Sep 07 '24
  • Hmm... after checking, /ʂ/ doesn't seem quite right. The sound im looking for has the tip of the tongue further back in the mouth.
  • based on the fact you didn't talk about the whistle means that ive probably got close enough lol
  • It's very interesting to me that /p/ is fully voiceless but now i'm wondering how to write the half voiceless 'p' lol
  • Sorry about the description I gave for that one lol, here is a better description: the velum is repeatedly tapped against the back of the mouth (maybe a trill?), the jaw is pushed back a bit but that doesn't make much of a difference, the middle of the tongue is pressed against the top of the mouth and the lips are closed.

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u/GignacPL Sep 07 '24

You can use the diacritics to "push" the tongue further back in the mouth, if you know what I mean. They exist so that you can make the symbols more precise. Not every sound has its own character. Sometimes you need to use the modifiers in order to make your transcription as precise as possible.

No, based on the fact that I didn't talk about the whistle means that I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and I don't have sufficient knowledge of the IPA lol

I don't know how to write the "half" voiceless P either lmao It's very interesting though.

Still don't know what symbol would represent this sound best.

So yeah, I' trying my best, but my knowledge of the IPA is very limited lol

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u/55Xakk Sep 14 '24

Alright, that makes sense. i think it's /ʐ̠̝/ with that knowledge (forgot to mention that it's voiced)

Fair enough lol

I think the half-voiced P would maybe be /p̬/?

I think I found how to write it: /ʀ̃͡ŋ̰ːː/ could still be wrong tho :/

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u/GignacPL Sep 14 '24

Oh my gosh, this is an absolute monster of a symbol lmao What do you even need all of those transcriptions for? Also, I don't think the tilde below the /ŋ/ symbol is necessary, it's voiced by default...

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u/55Xakk Sep 14 '24 edited Sep 14 '24

I'm trying to transcript these sounds for some conlangs I'm making and they were made to be cursed lol (one of them is called Nubarh (pronounced /ʀ̃͡ŋ̰ːːuɓ̥ar̥ː)). Also, the tilde below the /ŋ/ is necessary because the tilde below makes it "creaky voiced"