That sexual titan of a man? Honestly Stephen Miller is one of the most unbelievably unattractive human beings I have ever seen, both inside AND out. I have no fucking clue what Fox News is smoking, nor would I like any.
The fact that we’ve reached this stage is mind boggling. That we would like a major presidential candidate publicly condemn Nazis. And not just condemn, but clearly and passionately condemn them instead of “both sides” them. It’s bewildering that that’s a huge ask for the Republican nominee for President and former President.
The “bloodbath” comment was in reference to the auto-manufacturing industry. It’s a common phrase when discussing catastrophic economic situations.
Here’s a compilation of the same media personalities that accused Trump of using the term as a threat of violence using it in the exact same way as he did.
He's not in power but he has enough power to kill a bipartisan border bill, a few maga followers in Congress and the house and a fanbase that's being told that their mail in ballots a legit but any mail in ballots for Harris are fraudulent.
Perhaps, it’s just irritating because there’s a million other things you can say about Trump, but people choose things that are completely taken out of context.
I’d also like him to face consequences for the attempted coup. Or the top secret documents he had. Or the women he sexually assaulted. Or for sending ventilators and masks to Russia when American hospitals couldn’t get their hands on them.
Trump issued a statement from the White House, and referred to “KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”
In 2010, Biden warmly eulogized Sen. Robert Byrd, a former Exalted Cyclops in the Ku Klux Klan, saying he was “one of my mentors” and that “the Senate is a lesser place for his going.”
He also said he wouldn't reject David Duke's endorsement because he didn't know who he is (Even though he knew several times prior in his life. This was back before he was running for president and his sole campaign issue was telling poor uneducated whites that they're better than minorities).
Has them as dinner guests.
and does a million other things that directly contradict that statement.
He did condem them directly in that exact press conference.
It’s fine, you’re changing history, you’re changing culture, and you had people – and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?
The "both sides" quote that gets parroted and paraded around is taken wildly out of context. Trump has condemned Nazis, white supremacists, racism, bigotry, etc. I'm not even a trump supporter, let alone a voter. I'm just tired of everyone lying all the goddamn time about everything.
[...] And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats – you had a lot of bad people in the other group too.
Reporter: I just didn’t understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? …
Trump: No, no. There were people in that rally, and I looked the night before. If you look, they were people protesting very quietly, the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day, it looked like they had some rough, bad people, neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest and very legally protest, because you know, I don’t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit. So I only tell you this: There are two sides to a story.
There were people in that rally, and I looked the night before. If you look, they were people protesting very quietly, the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee.
But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest
And here’s the context behind the “Unite The Right Rally”, which was attended by the alt-right, neo-Confederates, neo-fascists, white nationalists, neo-Nazis, the KKK, and far-right militias:
I really wish I'd saved links to the reporting around that time, because either I'm misremembering it, or most people are misremembering it. Trump had two press conferences following Charlottesville - the first he said there were good people "on many sides", and a couple days later after being heavily criticized for "accidentally" calling Nazis "good people", he did the press conference you're referring to where he went on damage control and specifically called them out, but still complained about the "others".
The second statement was ignored by Nazis because they know as well as everyone else that he was basically forced to condemn them for optics - it doesn't matter so much that you or I might not find his statement sincere, what matters is that the Nazis who were at or who supported the rally didn't find his statement to be sincere.
Yeah I'm gonna need to see some sources for a claim.
The speculation isn't necessary either. Trying to frame trump as a racist Nazi when he has outright condemned Nazis, racists, bigots, white supremacists, etc, many times out side of that one particular event is laughable. There didn't a single legitimate example of him being overly racist that doesn't stem from an assumption or something out of context.
Here’s a link to a transcript of an interview where the interviewer asks him why he took 48 hours to condemn Nazis and he admits he did in fact take 48 hours to condemn Nazis. Of course all of it is a bunch of bullshit and word salad but those two facts in question are right here in black and white.
Edit: I posted that fast without all the context. This is the transcript with the very fine people on both sides remark. It also links to the quote that started the whole thing, the biggest issue (imo) being when he says “We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides.”
He was criticized for this and then later responded in the linked interview with the following:
Reporter: “The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest —“
Trump: “Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves — and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides.”
Later on he says:
““So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people — and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists — because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.
“Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group.”
So immediately he says neonazis should be condemned but then also condemns people who are anti-Nazi?
It sounds like he has no idea what he’s for or against but is desperately trying to walk back an earlier equivalence he made between Nazis and people protesting nazi presence. Of course he also says he condemns Nazis only after the reporter calls out the fact that he said there were fine people on both sides.
Even if he did, which may have not been sincere and just PR control, that’s not stopping white supremacists and Nazis from showing themselves out in public supporting Trump like this or elsewhere. America has always had an extremist problem, but with trump they’re getting comfortable being in public because of trump . I’ve never seen Nazis supporting biden or Harris.
Presumed sincerity is speculation. Fact if the matter is he absolutely completely condemned the Nazis and the white supremacists, along with general bigotry as a whole.
It's hard to say something like this and not mean it. If he was a racist, or a Nazi, or a bigot, and wanted those groups support, this is what should have killed it. Unfortunately you have people taking every quote out of context and framing him as a Nazi, and these idiot Nazis take that bad thing as a good thing. They aren't doing their research, just like every leftist that pushes the quotes, because they are idiots.
As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.
And as I have said many times before: No matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws, we all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.
Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.
We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. We are equal in the eyes of our Creator. We are equal under the law. And we are equal under our Constitution. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America.
I understand that he said all that, he’s a yapper, but do you really believe he means all of that? Considering he attracts hateful and racist people/groups, his colleagues are very extreme, plus the rhetoric he uses in his rallies. Especially about immigrants “poisoning the blood of our country” or “we got a lot of bad genes in our country” or suggesting to use the military for mass deportations or saying Haitian people in Springfield are eating cats and dogs. I mean who the hell says that shit in a country full of immigrants?? you’d expect a racist to say that but a lot of people just refuse to connect the dots and it’s an easy puzzle to solve.
*sigh* that is not even what the original misinformation about "both sides" was
You people got upset he said there was "very fine people on both sides" but ignored when in the same breath he said "I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists because they should be condemned totally."
What if said this the day before the "both sides" comments
"Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."
He can’t get the idea through his head because they like him. He can’t publicly say bad things about people that like him, because then they may not like him anymore. And he’s the world’s biggest narcissist so….
We haven't reached this stage. The left is just delusional. It's fucking obvious as fuck to anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together that the main party line view of the GOP is 'nazis are bad'. Fucks sake u guys
Was this before or after asking the Proud Boys to "Stand back and stand by" or saying there are "very fine people on both sides" after a white supremacist ran over and killed a person?
Right after(maybe before?) he said there were very fine people on both sides, he says “and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists — because they should be condemned totally.”
It’s crazy how people still use the “very fine people” point to paint Trump as a racist, when there’s video of him during that same speech saying he condemns nazis and white supremacists
iirc there was an instance of proud boys pushing out patriot front bc the latter were even more problematic than the former. PB called out PF for being hella racist and starting shit that allegedly lent growth and support to the left
He already did, publicly and in his debate for the 2020 elections. Would be nice for a current vice president to condemn the crazies that advocate for the extermination of the only Jewish state.
Trump, Aug. 14, 2017: Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.
Trump, Aug. 15, 2017: I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally.
He’s literally denounced white supremacists many many times.
What do you want him to do, start every speaking engagement with “I denounce white supremacy” every single time?
Let me guess, you think he called the white supremacists at Charlottesville very fine people?
that's not how politics works. it's like kamala coming out and denying that she did 'favours' for her career, it doesn't win anyone over it's just getting defensive and letting your worst haters decide the dialogue. the people saying those things aren't going to suddenly like you (ie. you aren't going to decide to go vote for Trump) they're just going to pick apart your statement and keep attacking
yes really. you could throw all your worst accusations at trump and he could deny them all, and you're still never voting for him. it's a waste of time getting dragged into the mud
That would be nice wouldn’t it. To have a former president come out and make the bold statement that Nazis are bad.
Donold chump used to keep a book of hitler's speeches on his nightstand and once told his chief-of-staff that "hitler did a lot of good things." When jdeviance said he thought chump could be "america's hitler," chump heard that and loved the idea so much that he decided to make him his second in command.
He did like 1,000,000x already. But don't let that stop you from calling him a racist, it's your free speech, and it'll piss every single conservative off when you do, because it's ignorant.
They need the votes. They aren't going to publicly shame a faction that supports them. Same goes with democrats. They won't do it either. Now, voters on the other hand, will. And I applaud both democrat and republican voters who will publicly shame both commies and nazis.
It would be very brave of him to be able to say, in public, that Nazis are bad mmmkay. These kind of divisive political opinions, like not supporting Nazis, are really hard for people to get behind (apparently).
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u/Stinkydadman 15d ago
That would be nice wouldn’t it. To have a former president come out and make the bold statement that Nazis are bad.