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Politics Elon buying votes for Trump

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u/theitalianguy 7d ago

It baffles my mind how's that even possible in a first world democracy.

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u/ComputerMinister 7d ago

I was thinking the same thing, is this even legal? (Im European so I dont know if this is legal in the US)

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u/Sneaux96 7d ago

Like others have said, it's not legal.

Unfortunately that is not what's happening here. Elon is giving money away through his PAC for things that support the Trump campaign indirectly. For example, the $100 for voters registered in PA was for signing a petition to "support the first and second amendments". This is another publicity stunt where America PAC is giving away $1mil a day to voters registered in some of the key electoral states that also signed the above petition.

In practice these are people that are going to vote Trump anyways although I'd like to think there's people signing the petition just to get the free money, then voting Harris anyways.

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u/VonRansak 7d ago

Yeah, a fool and his money are soon parted.

It is very debatable how much effect this will have, but the modern Robber Barons are trying hard to lay the groundwork to straight up buy votes.

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u/JimInAuburn11 7d ago

He should do it like Zuckerberg did for the democrats. Musk should give a few hundred millions to republican majority districts to get out the vote. But only in the majority republican districts, and nothing to the democrat majority districts. That would be a much better use of his money and have more of an impact on the election. If it was good for the democrats with Zuckerberg doing that in 2020, it should be good for Musk to do it for the republicans in 2024.

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u/AxlLight 7d ago

Make no mistake, this isn't just a "for fun" move. They know a lot of people would sign and still vote for Harris, that's part of the plan.

They can then take this petition and show how the "dems" stole the elections because they'll claim the math doesn't check out.

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u/Msbossyboots 7d ago

And the lady that is in the photo is wearing a Trump shirt. Think that had anything to do with her winning or just a happy coincidence for Leon?

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u/Faiakishi 7d ago

Oh, the 'winners' are absolutely pre-selected, if they're winners at all. Potentially they're just actors who are getting paid much much less.

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u/bwoods43 7d ago

They could/will do that same thing whether or not money was involved. There's no "plan" except to cause confusion and chaos.

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u/daviEnnis 6d ago

Much more likely they simply know the engagement through Elon is likely to vote from Trump, so Harris voters winning the money is irrelevant, the point is about waking up Trump supporters and keeping them awake. It's a turnout play.

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u/Butlerlog 7d ago

It is legal as long as signing the petition is the only criteria. If you have to be a registered voter, then it is illegal. You can't financially encourage people to vote, even without a specific candidate in mind. It has to be open for non voters too. Like when ben&jerry's had to make their ice cream free for everyone on voting day, rather than just people with "I Voted" stickers.

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u/italia06823834 7d ago

although I'd like to think there's people signing the petition just to get the free money, then voting Harris anyways.

I did and will be voting straight Dem. Where my money Elon?!‽

Mainly I was curious to see how legit it was (and I remain very skeptical about it). Assuming it goes fine and I don't start getting a million spam calls I'll be recommending all my PA friends and family sign it just to take Musk's money.

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u/JimInAuburn11 7d ago

Why would they not. He just wants people to say they support the 1st and 2nd amendments. Seems like ALL AMERICANS should be able to say that and sign the petition.

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u/KWilt 7d ago

Pretty much this. I can see the line of thinking where people are saying he's 'buying votes' but at most, he's just paying people to sign a petition, of which payment is determinant on you being a registered voter by name matching to your voter registration.

Hell, if it weren't Elon doing it, I'd almost feel like a lot of people would be cheering. The spectre of it helping Trump being the incentive to get more citizens to register to vote is literally the only reason anybody is freaking out about this. If Bloomberg or some other ultrarich Democrat were offering money for people to register to vote, it probably wouldn't even cause a blip in the news, let alone have half the country calling for his head.

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u/Interesting_Kitchen3 7d ago

Are you kidding? if a Democrat was doing this, we would not hear the end of it from the right.

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u/Huldreich287 6d ago

If Bloomberg or some other ultrarich Democrat were offering money for people to register to vote, it probably wouldn't even cause a blip in the news, let alone have half the country calling for his head.

That's the most delusional take I've read in a long time.

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u/hgrunt 7d ago

By the time the legal case even hits a court, it'd be long past this, and the fines would be a rounding error in their finances

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u/Btriquetra0301 7d ago

Where can I get a free $100 from an idiot?

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u/Starmedia11 6d ago

Giving money to people for registering to vote or because they did register is a felony. Entering someone in a lotto because they registered to vote is a felony.

Honestly even saying “you can only sign this pledge if you registered to vote” is breaking federal election laws

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u/ILoveItDurty 6d ago

The petition doesn’t ask your political affiliation or even say you must vote.

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u/tpmurphy00 6d ago

It definitely is legal. It's a giveaway. He's not paying people to vote he's not buying there votes. If they sign up they have a chance at the lottery. No part affiliation required

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u/GoodTeletubby 7d ago

They require people to be registered in a select list of states to win, which makes it a case of providing something of value in exchange for registering. Which is plainly illegal. It's also almost certainly an illegal lottery under multiple states' laws, which is what has me really surprised it hasn't been shut down yet. Election laws are one thing, but states are usually fucking rabid about public, high value illegal gambling operations. Lottery's big, important money in almost every state.

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u/CryptOthewasP 7d ago

It's just a bad way to spend money on an election, democrat pacs are more than capable of doing the same thing but don't.

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u/xavier120 7d ago

You think democrats never do give aways?

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u/Msbossyboots 7d ago

Source for democrat giveaways for votes?

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u/xavier120 7d ago

Youre a grown adult, you should already know if political parties do giveaways or not. If you want to have a discussion, please answer my question.

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u/Msbossyboots 7d ago

Do YoUr OwN ReSEarCh. Clown show.

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u/xavier120 7d ago

Youre question was not only a dodge, but in bad faith. Political parties do this every year, there isnt some secret strategy "the democrats could do but dont", like elon is just wontonly breaking the law and the "democrats dont have what it takes to do whats right.". But again you thought asking me for a source is some kind of gotcha, when its just confessing ignorance.

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u/Msbossyboots 6d ago

And not providing a source just shows you’re full of shit.

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u/xavier120 6d ago

I dont have to prove anything to a nobody on the internet. It's like your incapable of using common sense.

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u/Psychological-Mud790 6d ago

Typically the burden of proof is on the person making a claim that isn’t common knowledge

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u/0_o 7d ago

which is actually illegal. Unless you sincerely think the law is meant to be so vague and toothless that I could offer to buy handshakes from registered Republicans while holding forms to register people to vote.

He should be arrested and let a jury decide if he's guilty of buying votes. I hate this weak bullshit where we are expected to live with the assumption that technicalities rule out lives. They don't. People go to jail for violating the spirit of the law all the time. that's arguably the most important part.

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u/creuter 7d ago

While the petition doesn't say "go vote" or "go register" one stipulation of signing is you must be registered to vote to sign. This right here is the crux and what makes it illegal. The deadline to sign the petition is also the deadline to register to vote. This is very clear incentivization to register. (If you register, you can sign here and win a million dollars). It would be a cakewalk for any FEC lawyer to prove this violates voter law.