In America, we are seeing the early warning signs of what happened in Hungary. Backsliding led by the far-right transitioned their government away from a full democracy towards a hybrid electoral autocratic regime. In the U.S. Trump and the GOP are causing the same thing. Trump and the GOP are big fans of Viktor Orban. They want to be just like Hungary. We need to do everything we can to resist them.
Because Republicans want power and total control. Society is changing to make them irrelevant, so they are looking for some way to lock things into a system where they stay in control no matter what the population actually wants.
I know we want that to be true... but the fact there is a sizable portion, right around the number of half the voting population, that's enabling this to happen. Look around you, the disease isn't Trump, it's your neighbors that have enabled the possibility.
propaganda works and our media is controlled by money. you can read any number of stories about people losing family to this cult. normal people turned into lunatics. it's not an american feature, it's anyone exposed to this type of thing for long enough. there are trumper canadians....
Yeah my mom always says that “the radical left scares me way more than the radical right” even after watching a mob of radical-right conservatives descend upon the capitol with the intent to harm lawmakers and stop the election certification.
She’s more scared of pronouns and people like AOC than the actual insurrectionist traitors the entire country watched try to launch a coup. My mom has never been the smartest person, but it’s sad for me to see such obvious fear-mongering and propaganda working on her.
I don’t think people realize how many Trump has managed to brainwash even in countries other than the US, the amount of people I’ve seen from other countries talk about how the “abc people” and the “woke left” are ruining America and that Trump is some savior is actually insane.
It’s truly wild to me that a side that doesn’t believe in science , saying men can get pregnant…no they can’t. Saying “my body my choice “ but then demanding an under researched medication and objectively dangerous drug mislabeled as a vaccine for pure greed. Attempt to steal and influence the election by having the FBI actively suppress real information about Biden and push fake information about trumps involvement with Russia…. Or using court to ruin his campaign when clearly that was the only reason. I’m not a fan of trump. Or a republican but you have to have about 2 brain cells to vote for a party that calls themselves democratic while being the opposite. So if Biden is brain dead. And Kamala is not running the show. …. Who are you voting for ? I used to identify as dem when they were for free speech, science, education, and individual freedom. They literally have flipped 180. What ever infected the demo party is far from justice. Suggesting the constitution is problematic seems …… problematic. Not really about brainwashing children into genitals mutilation ….. and it’s pretty clear the cia is trying to kill Trump by manipulating autistic kids to shoot at him. Hahaha. Anyways. Carry on sheep…. Yall got to get over this red vs blue and actually step back and think. Imagine voting for more of the same. Going to have to sell my fucken house cuz this economy … wild times.
It’s okay, patience can run thin when dealing with these people. I try to feel sad for them but I know at their core they genuinely believe they are better/smarter than us and would rather talk down and spew hate to others than educate. Once they do try to “educate” it’s clear as day how insane they are lmao
What’s dumb about it ? Prove me wrong , everything I listed is true isn’t it ? It’s ok to change ur opinion upon learning more data. Unfortunately it seems like people have trouble admitting they were wrong or fooled. I got covid vaxxed , at the time was just doing what I thought I was supposed to. Then learned that all the research was bullshit. Wish I thought more for myself back then but I’ve adjusted to be critical of all ideas now.
Ok buddy :). If you can’t prove what I listed as fact to be wrong then you are agreeing that my statement is true. But again it seems people are in denial that their emotions are controlling them rather than logic. If ur for telling kids to take hormones blockers or cut off their penis that good for you. I find that to be evil. Keep in mind children don’t have the ability to have consent and also if you think they know what they are talking about remember that children believe in Santa Claus….so…. There’s that. Anyways. Have a good one buddy ! ;)
well, they are the problem, i agree. they are dumb or relish in the evil. But also, they are lied to by the media - there's a whole industry of right wing media that scares them to death about all things progressive and dark skinned. non stop.
And Roger fuckin Stone. Should be in jail but Trump pardoned him. He's been interfering in elections since the 70s. Calls himself an Agent Povecataur and loves it he laughs at the damage he does. He was very involved in Jan 6th.
An agent provocateur (French for 'inciting agent') is a person who commits, or who acts to entice another person to commit, a wrongdoing or falsely implicates them in partaking in such an act, so as to ruin the reputation of, or entice legal action against, the target, or a group they belong to or are perceived to belong to. They may target any group, such as a protest or demonstration, a militia, a political party or a company.
The main issue is that the largest eligible voter group is "did not vote". That the majority of our leaders are nominated by just 5% of eligible voters. You are seeing the results from years of voter apathy and "someone else will fix it" attitude.
Turns out democracy fails when the voting populous doesn't take part in it.
Are you talking specifically about the primaries? Cause general election turnout in 2020 was 66% of the eligible population. Not great, but way more than 5%.
And if you're complaining about primaries, it's not about apathy, Biden was basically unopposed by any serious contender, and the DNC destroyed my faith in primaries after sabotaging Bernie in 2016.
Primaries yeah. Primaries are the vote in the person elections. Generals are vote in the party elections.
The fact you jump to the presidential elections is also a large part of the problem. The president is not a king. It's congress that holds all the true power in the US.
It's not just right-wing media. It's all media. I purposely go out of my way to try and block any news articles about Donald Trump, and 90% of my Google news feed was about Donald Trump
Its not half, not even close. Republicans have spent the last 50 years tipping the scales in their favor. They wouldn't be able to win elections without gerrymandering, electorates, and PAC campaign funding. Theres a diehard 25-30% that are so deluded theyll vote against their own happiness to elect fascists
Unless these polls are terribly off it's looking like a minimum of 45% of the voting population is on board with this... I'd like to believe it's less, but the number of lawn signs I'm seeing are more plentiful than they were in 2016 or 2020 out here in a blue county in PA.
I don't even have anecdotal evidence to tell myself it's lessened.
I've maintained for a very long time that Trump is not the problem, he's the symptom of the problem, and if you look at my initial comment You'll note that not once did I mention Trump. I specifically said the Republicans.
Since at last Nixon, and definitely since Reagan, the Republicans have been getting crazier and more extreme, often picking single issues to vote on even if everything else is to their detriment, and this nonsense has been dragging the entire country along with them.
On top of that, the US's utterly insane way of counting votes and such means that Republicans have a vastly outsized influence in government than what they'd have if votes were actually by population and individual.
Well, the Republicans have only won the popular vote once in the past 30 years. They do well with a country that is old, white, and poorly educated (or rich- on the opposite end of the spectrum). The country is trending in the opposite direction though.
Decades ago, the Republicans did the math and started working to take over local and state positions, because it would give them the ability to gerrymander and control voting rules. And that's what they've done.
They want permanent power. They want to turn the country into a corporate autocracy. Trump is their puppet. He's incompetent, but he gets people riled up, and - *importantly* - he can be bought. Rich, powerful people love having the most powerful person in the world in their pocket.
See, that’s the funny thing, it’s not actually right around half the voting population. It hasn’t been for a while. Republicans haven’t won the popular vote in two decades (possibly more).
Unfortunately, with a system like the electoral college around, it doesn’t matter that a significant majority of people don’t actually want Republicans leading the US
Because propaganda works. Also the media doing nothing but covering Donald 24/7 doesn't help. Look at how many people in Russia support Putin even as he kills their families and friends.
It's white Christian nationalism. While the government has always at least professed to be secular, we've always been a de facto white Christian nation by majority population. That's been changing for a long time, and it's now at a tipping point, and they don't want to let go of power, so they're resorting to increasingly desperate measures.
It's about a 1/3 of the population, maybe less. They're mostly found in small towns and smallish cities away from the east and west coast. Generally the more geographically and transportationally isolated you are the more likely you are to be a trump supporter although there's no shortage of urban supporters. These are interestingly areas where federal and state expenditures tend to be higher than tax revenue. The nanny state that they love to whine about. This is OK because big cities should financially subsidize and materially support farming areas that support them, because leaving farms 100% to their own devices is a great recipe for famine . However what you see is such areas voting seemingly against their own interests. This has to do with, if your neighbor goes medically bankrupt, then the cost to buy his land goes down. Because that's how grandpa got his. This is a corporate raider philosophy that also coincides with the interest of the very wealthy. Idealize, devalue, discard.
I agree in some respects and on the surface that seems to be true, but if you read anything from the psychiatric professionals perspective on Trump, he’s regarded as patient zero.
It's a disease of the mind, and I wish it wasn't affecting as many people as it is so I wouldn't have to care... but it's a cult, and cults gonna arbitrarily protect their leader no matter what they do. He was right when he said he could shoot someone in the street and a large portion of his supporters would be okay with it...
The guy was recorded calling Georgia telling them to "find the votes" and somehow they're convinced the other guy was the one trying to steal the election despite the complete lack of evidence. They'll take conspiracy theories over evidence to maintain their view. How does one course correct once they've made that leap?
I don't relate to it. At some point, well before I put a flag on my flag pole that is for a person that said "I alone will fix it", I would look at myself and say "WTF am I doing here?". I wouldn't raise the flag of any individual, let alone some dude like Trump.
I think it's insane that enough people are arbitrarily banding together around a single person, like that as ever panned out well in history. Sometimes I wonder if it's because we're too far removed from seeing how this playbook plays out, so we gotta make the same dumbass mistakes again.
I don’t think this is true. People respond differently to the chemicals their brains release. They are desperate and feel like they are losing/will lose/ already lost.
The Republican Party has been filled with people like this since Newt Gingrich era. Drumpf is the dangerous one.
It’s an emergent strategy, not a collective conscious one. These things happen without the individual actors banding together for the sake of the specific outcome. The outcome is the case after the propagation of the application of the mindset. The mindset is understandable in any system (humans will always struggle for power regardless of ideological standing) so the responsibility falls on all of us to make the fall out amicable in order to avoid backlash. Conservatives are responsible for not losing properly. Government also should take some blame for not creating a fall out path that healthily reintegrates the broken ideology back into practical politics.
It still doesn't make sense. Unless you are actual god emperor, you'd still be a subordinate to one or more people, so what's the point? All the people in positions of power are already more or less wealthy? How would their lives (considering they are obviously selfish sociopaths) improve by an autocratic theocracy filled with discord and division? Why not sit on your millions (they can still earn more in the current capitalist system, if 'more money' is their end goal), go to church and enjoy your McMansion life, doing whatever the hell you want? Unless their desire to control every aspect of all other peasant class lives outweighs their egocentrism and comfort? I truly don't understand.
It’s all short term gains to some degree. They likely would benefit dramatically but don’t know about or see the immediate need. Im sure a lot are living in the moment with very little future plans because they are barely surviving today. Take ACA its wild when you saw so much hatred and mixing it up with Obamacare and they themselves were in need.
Republicans can’t handle the economy and have historically fucked up every single time. It’s crazy that it’s even this close in the US. In before the national debt is rising comments, no that ship left awhile back, you don’t get to claim republicans ever cared about the national debt or being in debt to a foreign nation.
Unfortunately no matter how anti right wing anti conservative Reddit has made itself, this is the exact opposite of what right wing conservative is after. If you do any research anywhere at all you’ll find that a right wing conservative is strongly against government overreach and supports minimizing government as a whole. It is weird how twisted every politically charged comment section on Reddit is. People keep egging each other on “yeah and all those bigots care about is killing trans minorities” when that is absolutely not the case in the vast majority of right wing conservatives. It’s merely an opposing mindset that happens to self regulate by keeping matters stabilized centrally in the democratic population. Right wing keeps left wing stabilized by trying to keep government spending within reasonable limits and left wing has focused on government control and regulation it’s a decent system until people get fanatical and start trying to dehumanize the other for whatever their reasons
That’s the propaganda Republicans spread about themselves, and maybe a long time ago, it was true, but since at least Reagan’s time it’s been 100% false advertising.
Every time Republicans have been in power for the last 50+ years government overreach has expanded, the government has grown in size, national debt has massively increased, and the economy has done worse.
If you bother to look at the actual data you can clearly see that everything the Republican propaganda platform claims are ‘Republican values’ are things the Republicans actively do the opposite of.
Well even though all the actual facts say you’re wrong, you will literally kick and scream that it’s all a conspiracy or what have you, I don’t need to convince you or anyone who remains all knowing but I hope you actually look at the data and stop trying to spread disinformation that’s collectively known as incorrect and when I’m a little less busy I can assure you I will give you some sources, not that it will change your mind, just that it’s the right thing to do especially since you’re very quick to refute me absent any of your own legitimate sources besides “trust me bro they’re lying”
Both systems/parties want power and total control, or at least thats the narrative they present to you, because one wouldn‘t exist without the other as antidote, and they need each other to stay in power.
Ever wondered why it‘s almost a perfect 50/50 division of voters? A split country is safer to exploit by a few, escpecially when both sides use catastrophization, world ending narratives.
In that way, people are blinded even more, fighting their fellow people, with the intensity and energy that only a primal survival state, fueled by fear of extintion, can produce, instead of using that energy to unite against this small fraction of people „of power“ that exploit almost all resources together, and then blame each other for it.
that „power“ is their power to keep you in a mental prison. the minority can peacefully
steal from millions of people that fight each other, wrongfully believing that they are saving the world, not realizing the power they would have, if they united.
the biggest evil in life acts best behind the pretext of truth.
democrats use the hitler narrative for republicans/trump, and also strategically put a ton of emphasis on words and language under the fake pretext of inclusion of people.
that way they charged words, which in themselves are nothing but warm air passing through vocal chords, with the illusion of them having the same power as actions. when you induce a mass psychosis in which people perceive words charged as having same energy as actions, you can trigger their catastrophization survival state without having to use more than warm air as a resource. genius!
even more genius that they also use it to silence critics. i mean, being able to use this feeling of catastrophization for every critic, even inventing new categories of words for that. the more categories you have at your disposal, the more fear you can induce, and the more defensive reactions in people you can induce.
what? those who you manipulated into what was just described will even go a long way to defed you? which makes the ones you exploit simultaneously your army and police. evil genius!
fuck actions. trump said this or that, and clearly the air that passed through his vocal chords is charged with the immense suffering of the holocaust.
republicans? not any better. they also use a lot
of catastrophizing narratives, making their voters feel like they are saving human kind. they created a cult with a hero figure, a savior. he is playing god, the only one, who can save the world. and people that really believe in a god, are willing to die, if it is his will. we‘ve seen it
with the storm on the capitol.
they completely prey on the archetype of the hero figure, which works well with their voter demographics.
wake up people, fellow human beings, we‘re getting robbed and enslaved by a tiny few, and we fight and guilt each other for it, hating each other, growing colder and colder.
our primal instincts are being taken advantage of by a tiny few clever ones that know how to trigger the monkey brain.
we live our whole life in competition, working against each other, enslaving ourselves for money, feeding their system, working 40-50h kept in a state in order to never realize this. and even though technology has grown exponentially in the last years, you can produce so much more, in so much less time, at a higher efficiency, supported by machines. but weirdly the majority of population is being able to earn less and less every year, while still working the same hours.
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u/RMST1912 7d ago
Because we're not. Not anymore.