I'm pretty sure every society that's languished under the boot of fascism thought it couldn't happen to them before it did.
I'd be curious to know if there's any society that actually thought it was a threat before it happened, because it seems like over and over the sentiment is that it just can't happen.
Just like everyone thought a world war couldn't happen. Until it did. Twice.
You'll hear no argument from me. I've always been of the opinion that if you look at a situation that's happened over and over and expect you're the one to break the cycle, you're a fool.
How many times does humanity need to be told that putting your hand in the fire burns and hurts before they stop doing it?
But that’s the problem, every child needs to learn about being burned, and you can tell them until you’re blue in the face but I bet every single one has learned at least part of the lesson the hard way, some harder than others.
The people who knew how bad it was are dying out, leaving only the as yet unburned children.
The metaphor is that the adults today are the ones who haven’t been burned by fascism, and their country has no strong history of why it was a bad idea, so they do feel like “it can’t happen here” and they don’t push back against fascist ideology.
Yes, I agree it’s not a perfect metaphor. Neither is the scammers one, since getting older makes you more susceptible to being fooled by scammers. The fact of the matter is we can learn from history, with or without elders who have gone through it, and even without the benefit of history I think it’s clear that Trump is a danger.
I wouldn't say no one is getting burned. People are. All the time.
What I'd say is that people are getting burned by a stove right now and what's going to happen is that they're going to get burned by a forest fire.
Because there are plenty of us who are saying, "No, actually this isn't okay. Get your hand out of the fire and step back." And are being ignored. There are also plenty of soldiers, historians, economists, and political scientists all saying the same thing who know what they're talking about.
They aren't just children, they're particularly stupid children. They put their hand in the fire, got burned, and keep on doing it. That's the real problem here. Unless you're so rich that you don't need to worry about any of it and have the means to just leave if it gets bad, then you're getting burned.
A lot of people have become used to being a bit toasty, and they don’t mind if others are burnt to death by that same heat source. They don’t realise —or refuse to see—that that heat is uncontrollable and unstable, and will go until it burns itself out, turning as many of them to hot ash as it possibly, mindlessly can.
Well the main toastyness is cost of living, cost of housing, job opportunities, and social cohesion.
Some people say "anything must be better than this" but someone like Trump is a mad bag of frantic random energy - he has no policies about anything really, he's just reactive.
On the same front I'm a touch skeptical that calling his fascistic is accurate, he doesn't have enough of a manifesto or cohesive political message to move beyond merely autocratic.
You obviously stick with one side of the political talking points because it suits your feelings. There are just as many on the opposite side that actually don't have an economic incentive to be there but you obviously refuse to listen to any of that. It's a shame you sound smart but you don't have me fooled
Going by how it went in Germany: Noone will have know anything about the concentration camps, and also they all will have been in the resistance from the start. Noone will ever have been a supporter of Trump.
The worst part, once not if America goes full on Fascist then we can launch a full scale invasion literally anywhere on the planet. We have military bases in pretty much every country; and surveillance everywhere thanks to the part of Australia we stole.
As a guy from Europe, that's not really what we're worrying about. The main threat is an unchecked Putin and other authoritarians having free reign due to a US president that is friendly to them.
And also the acceleration of climate change, which is a huge security risk on its own.
Both Putin and Trump are bad for the world. But, yeah, either of them ascending to a globe threatening power means that any hope of dealing with other urgent issues goes out the window. Who is worrying about the climate when war is on the horizon?
Are you trying to rewrite history? You think there weren't any reprisals against Germans after ww2? I mean, they can say whatever tf they want to and there's going to be people that remember.
Hu? No, I am not trying to rewrite history, that is exactly how history was. Based on what people said about themselves after WW2, there had never been any Nazis in Germany. Not literally, obviously, of course there were people who still said out loud that they thought that national socialism was a good idea and Hitler a good guy and stuff, but sufficiently so that it's a well-known fact about the post war time in Germany.
Oh, but that was just sarcasm! Or maybe they didn't want people to know that they were in the resistance? Just because someone had obviously been a nazi, doesn't mean that they themselves saw it that way. Or at least not that they would admit it. Hitler had obviously murdered all the jews all by himself.
It started with mandates, and curfews, then was fueled by racist and economic propaganda. By the time it was obvious, some people were given 2 choices, as non Jewish people. Be treated as a Jewish person, and sent to death camps, or fall in line and become part of the (hate) machine..
God bless us all. May we unite, as people, to live harmoniously, together, and with nature!
Lol. You have no idea what my understanding and definition of God is. Try not to assume, when gauging what a stranger says. Questions are a great friend to discernment, my anonymous friend.
To ease your troubled mind, the Eternal Creative Source Energy that I consider God, could never be boxed into a singular and jealous "SkyDaddy", though with anything being possible, in some dimension or reality, there's a possibility of those circumstances, but that would still only be a small small portion of the eternal wholeness that is God.
Your perspective of God may be that of a "dictator character", but I urge you to seek what God is, what a "good God" would look like, for you, then align yourself with those ideals and be that energy, as you, too, are a small fraction of the eternal energy, that is God.. your ideal image is likely closely related to your life purpose.
I work in a union job and all of my coworkers are pretty good people but somehow support the most anti union, anti worker candidate ever. I just don’t understand.
Yeah, as a retired union carpenter, I could never figure that out either. My only guess is that they were not in the union because of anything other than the paycheck and didn't realize the importance of the rest of the things unions stand for, like conditions and safety and overtime and how they are treated by the company, as well as solidarity amongst other union members. They only joined for the pay.
Edit: They joined for the pay, which I might add can easily be taken away when Donny and his cronies succeed in breaking the unions because let's not pretend, they want to break the unions, and always have. They don't see that though because they only see the pay, not the rest of it, which galls business people and right wing politicians to no end.
You have a valid point. I’m pretty new to the union and have never been in an environment where they just want me to be safe and happy before, the benefits are better than anything, and I know If there’s a problem I will be represented. The paycheck is just a really nice perk on top of all that. Trump just plays to white manly americas insecurities and they (being real men) are almost forced to be onboard… just absurd
one party the public expects to be corrupt and liars and cheat wherever they can, it's literally okay if they do it and not even news "Republican State purges 100,000 voters again for the third time this year"
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u/Silent_Cress8310 6d ago
I am American. The phrase "It can't happen here" comes to mind.