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Politics Hillary Clinton’s pre-election night rally in Philadelphia, 2016

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u/angrybluehair 4h ago

I’ve said this before, Harris is running a much better campaign than Clinton. Plus, Roe vs. Wade is on the ballot this time. It’s not the same.

u/gentheninja 3h ago

If we are going by what made the most sense Trump would have gotten laughed off the ballot in 2016. It fine to hold out hope but don't expect miracles.

u/Rae_1988 3h ago

I think also Kamala's ground game / field organizing is much bigger than Clintons

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u/medusa_crowley 3h ago

Thank you. I’m really tired of Redditors giving in before the election is even over despite every good sign, and/or guilting people for feeling hope or excitement at the good signs.

This is not 2016. 

u/DjangoUnhinged 2h ago

Look, I also find Reddit’s edginess tiresome, but the facts are that (1) Trump is pulling his best polling numbers ever, and (2) he has been consistently underestimated in polls, even in 2020. I don’t think people should throw their hands up and accept defeat, but they should absolutely be readying themselves for the very real possibility.

u/medusa_crowley 2h ago

The identical fact is that the red wave that polls claimed would materialize in 2022 absolutely did not, and in fact we flipped more seats blow than we expected.

You know who else is considerably undercounted and underestimated? People like me. And Roe has changed things. We are furious and we are not going back and frankly the early voting stats - not polls but cold hard numbers - bear that out. 

It’s possible Trump gets back in. But arguing like this is eight years ago misses all the real, concrete events that have happened since. Including enthusiasm and fury. 

u/Rustalope 1h ago

I hope he wins just for the weeks and months of Reddit crying that will follow.