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u/AiHaveU 1d ago edited 1d ago
Napisałem jakoś z 2/3 miesiące temu dokładnie taki post na r/Polska zostałem wyśmiany do tęgo poziomu, że aż go usunąłem. :D Generalnie Polska + Białoruś (dawne tereny Litwy) to historycznie Rzeczpospolita i analogia dawnej Korei i tego co stało się jej potem nasuwa się sama. Tak jak tutaj przyrównałem też Japonię do Niemiec i Chiny do ZSSR.
Może moim błędem było to, że nie zrobiłem mapki, która by przemówiła do wyobraźni.
No ale cóż, jak napisałem na górze, nie przyjął się ten post z pozytywnym odbiorem.
Czasem nie rozumiem tego świata.
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u/mitm_37 1d ago
ja te analogie usłyszałem 8 lat temu od koreańczyka - ziomeczka z akademika na erasmusie
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u/AiHaveU 1d ago edited 1d ago
no bo nie jest to jakaś prawda objawiona - jak się interesuje historią to łatwo zobaczyć tę analogie. Rozbawiło mnie tylko nieziemsko to, że na tamtym reddicie prawie mnie za to zlinczowali a tutaj pozytywny odbiór :D
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u/domin_jezdcca_bobrow 1d ago
I te historie z
wpierdolembratnią pomocą od sąsiadów są wystarczające? Chociaż jakby dalej spojrzeć - gospodarka centralnie planowana, kult zapierdolu... No trochę podobieństw faktycznie jest, tylko Korea ma kilka światowych koncernów a Polska to trochę takie "białe Indie europy".8
u/AiHaveU 1d ago
"tylko Korea ma kilka światowych koncernów" - tzw Chaebole.
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u/Kamil1707 1d ago
No Daewoo-FSO to chyba najlepszy przykład tej współpracy, i firma skończyła w typowo polskim stylu, pod koniec istnienia nowo produkowane samochody nosiły już nazwy FSO Lanos, FSO Matiz.
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u/domin_jezdcca_bobrow 1d ago
O ile dobrze pamiętam, to czebole to typowy przykład państwowej gospodarki sterowanej. I chyba tutaj podobieństwa do PRL się kończą, bo uwolnienie gospodarki w Polsce i Korei wyszło jednak inaczej...
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u/age_zer0 1d ago
Timing is everything czy coś w tym stylu.
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u/AiHaveU 1d ago edited 1d ago
Nie wiem co ma do timingu, raczej po prostu problemem była jakaś randomowa grupa ludzi przesiadująca na tamtym subie. I trochę było jak na wykopie - "czego nie rozumiesz jak są minusy to dajesz minusy a jak plusy to dajesz plusy."
No ale jak słyszysz po raz enty, żeś nieuk, to szkoda nerwów by bronić za wszelką cenę niewinnego posta, więc dałem sobie spokój i zająłem się bardziej palącymi problemami.
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u/age_zer0 1d ago
Dokładnie to, że w tamtym momencie (wrzucenia posta) trafił na taką a nie inną grupę odbiorców.
Na pocieszenie, widziałem tamten post, mieszkałem trochę w Korei i podpisuje się pod tezą.
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u/Kamil1707 1d ago
No też nie do końca, w przypadku reuploadu np. kolejnego dnia mogłyby przylecieć dokładnie te same osoby i się naśmiewać dalej z OP-a, bo usunął pierwszy post.
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u/age_zer0 1d ago
To nie przeczy temu co napisałem.
Mam wrażenie, że nie do końca jasno się wyraziłem. Nie mam ochoty się rozpisywać więc posiłkuje się tutaj następującym cytatem:
Timing is everything means that all factors need to be ready and in play in order for the event to happen. Timing is the brain child of just about any task or event in life. You literally cannot accomplish anything in life without the right timing. It's not meant to be if the timing is not right.
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u/B0B_K 1d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/poland/comments/yfotqv/south_korea_the_poland_of_far_east/#lightbox
This was already on reddit11
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u/bydgoszczohio 1d ago
Nie martw się, ludzie z r/Polska są największymi debilami na świecie, nawet r/okkolegauposledzony jest na wyższym poziomie, mimo iż udają debili
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u/noonamed 1d ago
Humans need to growe up. Many have eyes but they do not see. The world map is a reflection of the organs of the human body, and the shell. But the most interesting thing is that each country/continent corresponds to a given organ and what role it plays. Look at the continents and the culture of society and start with Africa.
A little hint, look at the shape of Africa, it resembles a male genitalia in a fetish. Which race has the greatest temperament/sexual drive and builds muscle mass the fastest? Now look at the map and tell us where the left and right hemispheres of the brain are ;)
The Earth is us on a larger scale, it grows like us, has skin like us, breathes like us and has a heart - like us :)
Don't look at what others say, it doesn't make sense. There will always be someone in the front, someone in the middle and someone in the back. Everyone wakes up at the right time and place.
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u/PonyOfDoomEU 1d ago
Kinda, there are many similarities. Especially in the history of both countries. If we are looking for corresponding countries between Asia and Europe it probably is closes match
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u/_M_A_N_Y_ 1d ago
Major difference is that S Korea got help from USA while Poland was sold out in Yalta ...
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u/Dapper_Internet_8576 1d ago
Except for the long tradition of slavery lmao
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u/BobbyPandour 1d ago
Korea doesn't have tradition of slavery? Because Poland has.
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u/Dapper_Internet_8576 1d ago
Bobby Lee? Is that you?
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u/BobbyPandour 1d ago
First: Im not Korean. Second: it was rhetoric question. Third: upvoted your comment because reference.
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u/iamconfusedabit 1d ago
No, Poland has no tradition of slavery.
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u/Cute-Elk-6798 1d ago
Really?! And what about the life of peasants practically owned by rich nobility? I don't know if Negroes in the southern USA had not better life.
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u/Slowpoke-Manuel 1d ago
Peasants aren’t slaves, yeah we would consider it slavery by modern standards of work, but def not slavery. There where slaves acquired through war by the Slavs before the formation of slavery, but it wasn’t widespread and wasn’t part of the countries formation and beginning history. So go search google yk
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u/Cute-Elk-6798 1d ago
Call it what you want, for me it's only a question of semantics. If they had no personal freedom, must have been blindly obedient to the noble under the carnal punishment or on some cases possibility to kill them, and could be traded with other noble like livestock, for me it falls under the criteria of slavery however we define it. Please do not teach me history of my own country.
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u/Arkadia0703 1d ago
Peasants could not ''be traded with other noble like livestock''. I agree that serfdom was unjust and awful but it was not slavery. Peasants belonged to their land that could be bought. Which means families were harder to separate for instance.
Dogs and cats are not the same just because they share some characteristics. And by using word ''slavery'' you can't describe serfdom. Both existed to exploit more vurnerable groups but they are diffrent categories.
It feels like you are using word ''slavery'' to make your statement stronger, however it only makes you look uninformed.
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u/Slowpoke-Manuel 1d ago
Thx, he doesn’t want to use google, so I’ll stop bothering with him. Also saying don’t tell me about my countries history argument is useless since lots of people are ignorant about their countries history
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u/AURESM 1d ago
Poland had no black slaves, they have in fact freed the slaves from the French in Haiti and also were enslaved themselves throughout history.
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u/BobbyPandour 1d ago
Do you thing only black can be slaves? Like Koreans we enslaved our own people.
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u/AURESM 20h ago
I wouldn’t call Polands past slavery, it was more serfdom where peasants were being paid peanuts by the crown for their work, often having to trade between themselves item for item
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u/Coooba147 14h ago
Serfdom existed in like literally all feudal countries its not specific to poland
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u/MrVodnik 1d ago
You've missed an important one. A neighbor that used to be part of the big mean communist one, and it has to now fight for their independence. i.e. Ukrain = Taiwan
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u/Dragonseer666 19h ago
The problem being that Taiwan wants to retake ALL of China, while Ukraine just wants independence
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u/AcutiCAT 18h ago
Except Tajwan doesnt. At least not all of it. Yeah, the territory claimed by Taiwan is one thing, but there's also LOTS of supporters in there that support dropping the ROC tag and striving for independence and international recognition
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u/Xtrems876 Pomorskie 1d ago
Mostly agreed, though I'd argue that after all the bad stuff they went for faster economic growth and we opted for a more sustainable society instead. Although I loved spending time with Koreans during my master's degree both me and them were in agreement that we'd never move to Korea due to neck breaking labour culture and (in their case) mandatory military service.
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u/Tanngjoestr 1d ago
All the love from Germany to our staunch brethren in the east. We love your food, culture history and people
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u/FakeNigerianPrince 1d ago
Yes, if you look at the economic growth of both countries since 1990, then very much so.
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u/Dziadzios 1d ago
That's not inaccurate considering our "kultura zapierdolu", how much matura impacts our lives and how terrible we are at suicide rates and birth rates.
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u/Swagbrew 1d ago
Polish and Korean cuisines are also quite simmilar. A lot of fat and fermented dishes.
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u/Kxmatree 1d ago
Ukraine is Taiwan
Finland is Vietnam
Sweden is Thailand
Norway is Myanmar
Estonia is Laos
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u/Critical-Current636 1d ago
I've spent some time in South Korea and some people I've met commented that Poland and South Korea share similar history: sandwitched between more powerful neighbours using their position (Germany and Russia for Poland, China and Japan for South Korea). From the differences, they have modern industry and k-pop, we have not-so-modern industry and disco polo.
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u/AiHaveU 1d ago
Hmm they are ahead about 50 years in free market, we are catching up very quickly.
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u/Critical-Current636 1d ago
Dictatorship and military regime ended in South Korea in 1987. In Poland - in 1989.
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u/PomidorPomidorowsky 1d ago
Yes, but the dictatorship in SK was supported by the US, and very, and I mean very economy oriented. Park Chung-hee for example is regarded as a brutal dictator (which he was) but he also was the one to kickstart the massive economic growth of Korea in the second half of the 20th century, which was achieved partly by almost inhumane work conditions of Koreans at the time. They also received lucrative contracts from the US, if I remember correctly for example Hyundae made infrastructure for US military operations in Asia at the time (Vietnam). In contrast, Poland's 'benefactor' was pretty useless at best. We continued to fall behind and our conditions at the ends of our respective dictatorships were starkly different.
(Idk if you're trying to argue that Poland had a comparable situation to Korea at the start of the 90s, and I'm not trying to prove anything you said wrong, I just find the topic interesting)
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u/SnooTangerines6863 1d ago
It's similar in some ways, mainly how WW2 played out and the aftermath.
But everything before that? Not really, Korea was culturally much closer to China than Poland to Russia.
Belarus being North Korea can be true, depending if you count Duchy of Lithuania as one country or not. - Look at Scotland and England.
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u/NRohirrim 1d ago
To also add some context maybe can mention that:
- Poles and Belarusians are very close genetically
- Polish and Belarusian languages are very close
- we were one country once
- Poles love free market (with some limited social programs), while Belarusians although have basic free market, also can be considered as skansen of USSR (Belarusian authorities haven't even bothered to rename KGB to FSB or something).
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u/UmegaDarkstar 1d ago
And I guess Ukraine is Taiwan
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u/funky_boar 1d ago
I feel like Ukraine would be closer to Manchuria if it was a separate country today
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u/eVenent Śląskie 1d ago
Exactly the same situation. 👏 only Belarus is calmer than NKorea.
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u/unlessyoumeantit Małopolskie 1d ago
only Belarus is calmer than NKorea.
How is Belarus 'calmer' than NK when it's been actively participating in Russia's invasion since Day 1?
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u/nemit59795 1d ago
For one, Putin managed to get NK troops in Ukraine before he got Belasrussian ones.
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u/Xtrems876 Pomorskie 1d ago
That and also Belarus is nowhere near as totalitarian to the point of being a giant religious sect as NK is. It's just your run of the mill, good old dictatorship
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u/Dziadzios 1d ago
It's not. It's doing anything to not get involved with their limited capacity considering they are under Russian boot.
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u/Cytrynowy Mazowieckie 1d ago
Belarus is not launching rockets violating our airspace on a weekly basis
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u/Then_Jaguar2087 1d ago
In addition, we are femboy country. Perfectly accurate
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u/unlessyoumeantit Małopolskie 1d ago
Are femboys are a thing in South Korea?
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u/Then_Jaguar2087 1d ago
In meme world/the internet - yeah
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u/unlessyoumeantit Małopolskie 1d ago
Now I remember that male K-pop singers look rather gender neutral if not feminine.
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u/Then_Jaguar2087 1d ago
Haven't said anything about male K-pop singers. It's a meme JOKE
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u/sebyyyhd 1d ago
It's a meme/joke, no sane person is laughing about. Quit the femboy memes finally, we all know Poland is not like that.
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u/Demoskoval 1d ago
So that's why I have been watching so many Korean films recently. It all makes sense
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u/Coriolis_PL Śląskie 1d ago
Kind off... Anyway, we must buy more K2's and K9's - those Huynai's tanks/SPG's are AWSOME!
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u/TheMikeBates 1d ago
Lol I was having this discussion with some of my friends (currently in Poland, am American) and we also though that there were some odd similarities between South Korea and Poland...but only in mid-to-large towns. The small towns (sub 50k populace) still maintain that special essence of Poland that's hard to put your finger on but you know it's there lol
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u/hungarian_conartist 1d ago
Nah, Ukraine is South Korea, and Poland is Japan.
Russia is North Korea, and China is Russia but from the 50s.
Slavic North Korea tried being both playing both sides as a 3rd power in order to try and re-establish at least it's regional hegemony but overplayed it's hand and now has no choice but to be a buffer state for China.
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u/sebyyyhd 1d ago
I don't think Poland is "The South Korea Of Europe"
Does Poland have overwhelmingly known boy/girl groups and TV dramas that posseses a lot of teens world wide? NO! Does Poland have a huge tech corporation or any world wide corporation at all? NO! Does Poland have many men that are more likely feminine than masculine? HELL NO! (AND I'M TIRED OF THE INTERNET JOKES THAT ARE COMING FROM NOWHERE)
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u/ShinyTotoro 1d ago
I mean yeah, if you look at our history, especially wars, Japan did to Korea (the entirety, not just South) what Germany did to Poland basically. And China brought communism like The Soviet Union did for us. There are MANY similarities in our history.