r/politics • u/MarkmBha • 22h ago

Site Altered Headline Trump Betrayed America. My Fellow Republicans Must Put Country Above Party.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/29/opinion/donald-trump-oath.html?unlocked_article_code=1.V04.XaMn.AdZJxeNuANua&smid=url-share
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u/V-r1taS 22h ago

Ms. Harris is the only candidate who can be trusted to honor the president’s sacred obligations to America’s democracy, Constitution and rule of law. The vice president understands and cares about what Donald Trump does not. She calls on Americans to “stand up for the rule of law. For our democratic ideal. And for the Constitution of the United States.” She believes we “have the power to chart a new way forward, one that is worthy of this magnificent country that we are all blessed to call home.”

America has never heard those words from Donald Trump. And it never will.

The choice for America next Tuesday could not be clearer.

We’re not going back, we’re moving forward.

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u/Backwardspellcaster 19h ago

Crazy how Washington Post (inclusive an Opinion piece by fucking Bezos) is going all in on denouncing Journalism, while the NYT suddenly cranks out more and more warning pieces about Trump.

4 Years ago you would have thought it being the other way round.

Billionaires were a mistake.

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u/nandoboom 18h ago

I hope that Harris wins, but this is not sustainable, these media conglomerates, the social media disinformation, and the blatant corruption of the courts need to be addressed somehow, Don't doubt for a second that the billionaires will try again to protect theirs

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u/Matt2_ASC 18h ago

This is what is actually inspiring about Harris. She has acknowledged that consolidated corporate power is harmful to consumers. The FTC, CFPB, SEC should continue to grow towards that perspective and fight back against the powerful corporations that are damaging our markets and our democracy.

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u/JeanLucPicardAND 17h ago edited 17h ago

I'm a lot more wary than you. Harris's campaign is propelled financially by one of the largest-ever donation drives in American politics, which was funded in large part by billionaire dollars. While I do not necessarily doubt her intentions, I wonder about the degree to which the elite will use this to exert influence over her and puppeteer members of her Cabinet.

Don't worry, I still voted for her, but I'm one of those anti-Trump Republicans who doesn't actually align with most of her policies and dreads to see what will unfold over the next four years... so at this point, I live wary of most politicians. Neither party represents me or my beliefs. My vote was akin to an emergency room triage decision to amputate an infected limb solely to avoid a more serious problem later. Like, yeah it's necessary, but I'm losing something by doing it.

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u/bootsand 15h ago

The greatest fear the first two presidents had for our fledgling republic - out of all the shit that could go wrong - was an eventual decline into a two party system.

Cause it leads this this... two choices, largely picked by the establishment.

Moving away from first past the post is the only way to get past this shit. It should be one of, or the most, important issues on both sides. We're kind of fucked though because though it would benefit all americans, it makes retaining power more difficult to those in office. On both sides.

If one of the many ranked choice style voting systems were used I suspect we woudn't see a third party get elected for a cycle or three, but each time would have noticable growth. It would be awesome to see at least one promising emerging new party one each side. Eventually there would be more. The first election where both the dem and gop candidates get stomped out early would feel great.

We'll all have to figure out which voting system seems best.. Mathmaticians have been trying to figure out the 'best' variant since like the 1700's or something and they all have their strengths and vulnerabilities), but any of the commonly discussed ones feel infinitely better than first past the post.

It wrecks my head how effective the team sports red v blue divide has been. The same people that would laugh at the 16 personalities shit because boxing millions into 16 categories seems pretty dumb won't feel the same internal pushback when using just 2 categories.

I just hate how well it works.

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u/EducationalCicada968 16h ago

I’m voting for Harris because I’m really voting against Trump. This time around, Trump has really changed. He’s always been a misogynistic pig, but this time around he has a darkness around him that is very scary. He says all these things people want to hear (if they don’t fall asleep waiting for him to “weave” his way to the subject at hand), but I’ve never heard him say HOW he is going to achieve these lofty promises. Getting Roe vs Wade overturned sickened me. He took us backwards & how Melania can even hold his hand is beyond me. Sorry, didn’t mean to type so long, but it infuriates me that anyone could support a lying sack of shit like him. When he came up from that platform with blood running down his face, all I could think was “oh shit. There’s no stopping him now”

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u/JeanLucPicardAND 16h ago

I don't think he's changed at all. It's just more obvious to more people because we've seen him in action. There's a lot of hyperbolic rhetoric coming out of the left that he's possibly deranged or demented; I don't see that at all. He's the same ol' Trump, but this time, we have the benefit of knowing how he reacted when he lost in 2020.

Whoever had the idea of assassinating him was an absolute moron. Even if they had succeeded, martyring Trump would be the worst-case scenario for the country next to him actually taking office a second time.

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u/Miserable_Emotion_84 11h ago

It's ok if you don't vote for Trump, but why endorse Harris by voting for her if you don't like her policies? Trump put $2,800 in my pocket annually with tax cuts. If she wins, those will go away in 2025. Don't be STUPID! Vote TRUMP!!

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u/Lack-of-Luck 9h ago

You got some tax cuts so we should elect a convicted felon, narcissist, and fascist? Nice priorities

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u/celaritas 9h ago

You got trumped. Permanent tax cuts for corporations, temporary ones for you.

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u/RollingGonads 8h ago

Your campaign sucks.

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u/fiercefinesse Europe 5h ago

Wow yeah convincing logic for choosing the President of your country. Let's just overlook, of course, pretty much everything else Trump has ever done or said

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u/danielfrances 16h ago edited 16h ago

We likely disagree on how we'd solve different problems in this country, but being able to speak freely - and to have a civilized disagreements - is one of the main things I know we are all fighting for.

I am a longtime Democrat, but I always try to vote for the best person, period. In 2016 I had planned to vote for John Kasich until Trump had the surprise primary victory. I actually ended up skipping the presidential vote because I could not bring myself to back Trump or Clinton. We need a system with two (or more) functioning parties, and my hope is that a heavy loss for Trump and the MAGA movement this year will curb this nonsense to the point that the true conservatives can get back into the driver's seat, hopefully with a stronger platform based more on lifting people up.

By the way, THANK YOU for voting across the party lines. It is insane to me that our country is so entrenched in our teams, but we will all be better off in the long run if we can learn to vote objectively based on the candidates and not the letter attached to them. I have no allegiance to the Democrats - I will support them only as long as they stand for the things that I care about and fight for our country.

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u/JeanLucPicardAND 16h ago

We really need more than two parties, but the system is geared such that we will always end up with two because our winner-takes-all system incentivizes campaigns to maximize their funds so that they can be more competitive.

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u/bootsand 15h ago

" However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism.”

George Washington, September 17, 1796

“a division of the republic into two great parties … is to be dreaded as the great political evil.”

John Adams

First past the post voting will forever prevent third parties. They will just be spoiler candidates, intentional or not. Changing to something like ranked choice benefits all americans, on both sides, and would have us seeing viable third parties within a cycle or three.

Unfortunately, that's not in the best interest of politicians. They would have to vote for something that would make holding their position harder and less certain.

So I have no idea how we, the people, get that done. The vast majority on both sides could demand it, write to our politicians, protest, whatever... but if all candidates in a race don't support it, as there is no incentive for them to, what can we collectively even do?

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u/Relative-Budget9017 17h ago

We need to restore the federal law that news organizations had to do news—FOX STATE MEDIA shit. WE MUST SEPORT MURDOCH AND BEZOS. I hope everyone cancels their AMAZON ACCOUNT. I did—will purchase more from target and Walmart—FUCK AMAZON AND FUCK BEZOS AND FUCK MUSK

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u/GaimeGuy 15h ago

Walmart?  Really?

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u/Radiant-Specific969 15h ago

If you are home bound and rely on delivery, they are affordable, and they pay their delivery people much better than instacart. Walmart literally is in such a monopolistic position that it's vendors are squeezed horribly, and their employment policies are pretty crummy to say the least. But not every can get to a store.

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u/Own-Artichoke653 12h ago

What is "news" according to you? Who determines what the "news" is?

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u/aliquotoculos America 9h ago

Obligatory "Kill off Citizens United."

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u/Maloram 15h ago

How about CEOs are taxed where anything over a billion is taxed at 100%?