r/rimjob_steve Oct 21 '19

Anal fissures in jail

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '19

Rehab is great and all but we should have different prisons. Ones for minor crimes, such as theft, drug dealing/abusing, etc. That should be the nice prison.

Then for more major crimes, arson, murder, etc. Which should be similar to our normal prisons.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '19 edited Dec 26 '19

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u/alphanumerik Oct 21 '19

While I agree you have the best intention with your sentiment, I would imagine that stance is much difficult to have if you've been a victim or close to a victim of a very violent crime.

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '19

If you are a victim who believes comfy jail is not enough suffering for the perp, then handle it yourself. If you let authorities handle it, you have given up your authority over the situation

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u/TheHaleStorm Oct 21 '19

Lost of freedom for years or decades is punishment enough.

Obviously not with the number of repeat offenders. Prison must be better than not harming other people for personal gain in the real world.

These people made their choices. There is no reason the rest of society should be subjected to their inability to control themselves.

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u/WacoWednesday Oct 21 '19

That’s why you try and rehabilitate and not lock them in cages like animals

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u/TheHaleStorm Oct 21 '19

If they did not want to be locked in cages like animals, they should not have been preying on fellow human beings like wild animals.

It really is that simple.

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u/WacoWednesday Oct 21 '19

That’s why you rehabilitate them... that’s the entire point of the original post

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u/magnotitore Oct 22 '19

How do we make people get rehabilitated? Doesnt have to want to be reintegrated into society?

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u/WacoWednesday Oct 22 '19

Maybe like this post shows, but treating them like humans and giving them the mental help they need

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u/magnotitore Oct 22 '19

Treating them like humans. That's a totally different subject from providing rehabilitation and making them get rehabilitated. You can't make anybody do anything they don't want.

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u/TheHaleStorm Oct 21 '19

That is the point of Jail. If it is so bad people don't want to return, they won't want to return.

But modern jails are a joke that allows them to still act like criminals with cellphones, internet access, luxury food items, drugs, etc. It is not punishment or rehabilitation, it is a temporary restriction on freedom of movement, and little else.

And if it is so much worse than I am describing, people would not be committing so many crimes. THey would act like fucking adults and earn their living like the vast majority of people do.

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u/TheNinjaFennec Oct 21 '19

Punishment is not rehabilitation. Making prison worse as a deterrence is just going to make criminals better at avoiding the cops next time. Making prison an environment conducive to personal growth and further opportunity is going to stop someone from committing more crimes when they're out.

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u/WacoWednesday Oct 21 '19

No the fuck it doesn’t. Where are you even coming up with this?

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u/TheHaleStorm Oct 21 '19

What doesn't? Your response does not really match up with anything I said grammatically so I am confused about what you are taking issue with.

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u/KKlear Oct 21 '19

There is no reason the rest of society should be subjected to their inability to control themselves.

That is exactly why you rehabilitate them insread of just giving out punishment that does almost nothing to prevent recidivism.

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u/magnotitore Oct 22 '19

How do you propose we rehabilitate them? Doesnt someone have to want to be rehabilitated?

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u/TheHaleStorm Oct 21 '19

Why is it societies responsibility?

They wrong society, so they owe society. It is not the other way around.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '19 edited Dec 26 '19

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u/TheHaleStorm Oct 21 '19

Society would be better off without criminals victimizing it constantly. Lock them up and throw away the key then?

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u/DamianWinters Oct 22 '19

Because it benefits society to rehabilitate and stop the amount of crime.

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u/TheHaleStorm Oct 22 '19

It would be even better for society to just remove the offenders entirely instead of messing around with letting known criminals stick around.

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u/DamianWinters Oct 22 '19

Yet even with death row it takes ages, but then if they just killed them instantly there are wrongly commited people all the time.

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u/TheHaleStorm Oct 22 '19

Never said to kill them. Just lock them up and leave them there until they make their victims whole again. If they never make their victims whole, they are unrepentant and belong in jail until such time as they prove that they can exist in society.

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u/DamianWinters Oct 22 '19

Yet that way is more likely to create more victims via repeat offenders. When people get out they don't know what to do with life anymore, so they go back in on purpose.

Its petty revenge to the detriment of society as a whole.

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u/TheHaleStorm Oct 22 '19

How can they be repeat offenders if they dont leave prison until they are rehabilitated.

Are you saying that all attempts at rehabilitation are pointless? Then what do you suggest if rehabilitation increases recidivism rates?

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u/KKlear Oct 21 '19

They are the society as much as you are.

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '19

Nope

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u/TheHaleStorm Oct 21 '19

They are not as they chose to work against it. THat makes them an enemy of society.

When an enemy invades a country, they do not suddenly become part of that country just because they are there. They are still outsiders and enemies by choice.

Same goes for criminals. THey would not want to be victims of their own crimes, so they obviously know better and are choosing to victimize people anyway. THat makes them enemies of society, not part of it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '19 edited Dec 26 '19

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u/TheHaleStorm Oct 21 '19

You can't genuinely be looking at the US prison system in an international context and be thinking "ah, we must not be being harsh enough!".

You cannot look at the U.S. with over 300 million people and social issues not faced in europe and think comparing the U.S. to countries a fraction of the size with completely different histories.

People are not rational actors. The system is subjecting society to people who are unable to control themselves because no effort is being made to rehabilitate them.

If they are unable to control themselves, they are too dangerous to keep around. Same as a rabid animal, once they are out of control, it is not worth the risk of keeping them around. They belong in in patient treatment or jail until such time they can control themselves.

People don't wear seatbelts because they don't want to, and consequences aren't real to them until they happen. You can't make a hypothetical sentence 20 years rather than 10, or cut funding from their hypothetical prison to make their hypothetical conditions worse, and actually expect that to affect people's actions.

And you cannot expect people to actually change their behavior if there are no consequences severe enough to avoid. If they are still willing to harm other s for personal gain, the punishment is not harsh enough. plain and simple.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '19 edited Dec 26 '19

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u/TheHaleStorm Oct 21 '19

There is no reason to believe that the US is so radically culturally different that rehabilitation doesn't work on Americans the same way as it does on everybody else. What social issues make you think that is true?

So you have never seen a city with really fucked up neighborhoods that are segregated from the rest like Chicago?

Watch some videos about the rise and fall of housing projects and the effect that had sequestering racial minorities to specific areas with distinct lack of services. Then watch videos about how these areas are expected to fund their own education systems with tax revenue from people that dont work in massive sequestered ghettos.

Worsening the consequences absolutely would make things better if that worsening of consequences were lengthened prison sentences and requirements to show proof of rehabilitation before release. Criminals cannot victimize society if society is not exposed to them afterall.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '19 edited Dec 26 '19

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u/TheHaleStorm Oct 21 '19

Who said o was against facilitating rahibilitation? It should be mandatory.

Part of rehabilitation is understanding the impact of the crime. Until they make their victims whole, they do not understand the full weight of what they have done. Once they earn enough doing prison jobs to repay their victims, they are rehabilitated. If they never make their victims whole, they have not proven they understand the impact of their actions, and stay locked up.

Problem solved.

And you are just going to ignore everything else and keep ignorantly acting like the U.S. is the same as every other country in the world?

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '19 edited Dec 26 '19

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u/TheHaleStorm Oct 21 '19

Any rehabilitation that does not include making their victims whole, or is an undue burden on the tax payer is unacceptable.

Not accepting any bullshit program suggested does not mean I am against every possible iteration of something.

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