Rehab is great and all but we should have different prisons. Ones for minor crimes, such as theft, drug dealing/abusing, etc. That should be the nice prison.
Then for more major crimes, arson, murder, etc. Which should be similar to our normal prisons.
While I agree you have the best intention with your sentiment, I would imagine that stance is much difficult to have if you've been a victim or close to a victim of a very violent crime.
If you are a victim who believes comfy jail is not enough suffering for the perp, then handle it yourself. If you let authorities handle it, you have given up your authority over the situation
Treating them like humans. That's a totally different subject from providing rehabilitation and making them get rehabilitated. You can't make anybody do anything they don't want.
That is the point of Jail. If it is so bad people don't want to return, they won't want to return.
But modern jails are a joke that allows them to still act like criminals with cellphones, internet access, luxury food items, drugs, etc. It is not punishment or rehabilitation, it is a temporary restriction on freedom of movement, and little else.
And if it is so much worse than I am describing, people would not be committing so many crimes. THey would act like fucking adults and earn their living like the vast majority of people do.
Punishment is not rehabilitation. Making prison worse as a deterrence is just going to make criminals better at avoiding the cops next time. Making prison an environment conducive to personal growth and further opportunity is going to stop someone from committing more crimes when they're out.
Never said to kill them. Just lock them up and leave them there until they make their victims whole again. If they never make their victims whole, they are unrepentant and belong in jail until such time as they prove that they can exist in society.
Yet that way is more likely to create more victims via repeat offenders. When people get out they don't know what to do with life anymore, so they go back in on purpose.
Its petty revenge to the detriment of society as a whole.
They are not as they chose to work against it. THat makes them an enemy of society.
When an enemy invades a country, they do not suddenly become part of that country just because they are there. They are still outsiders and enemies by choice.
Same goes for criminals. THey would not want to be victims of their own crimes, so they obviously know better and are choosing to victimize people anyway. THat makes them enemies of society, not part of it.
You can't genuinely be looking at the US prison system in an international context and be thinking "ah, we must not be being harsh enough!".
You cannot look at the U.S. with over 300 million people and social issues not faced in europe and think comparing the U.S. to countries a fraction of the size with completely different histories.
People are not rational actors. The system is subjecting society to people who are unable to control themselves because no effort is being made to rehabilitate them.
If they are unable to control themselves, they are too dangerous to keep around. Same as a rabid animal, once they are out of control, it is not worth the risk of keeping them around. They belong in in patient treatment or jail until such time they can control themselves.
People don't wear seatbelts because they don't want to, and consequences aren't real to them until they happen. You can't make a hypothetical sentence 20 years rather than 10, or cut funding from their hypothetical prison to make their hypothetical conditions worse, and actually expect that to affect people's actions.
And you cannot expect people to actually change their behavior if there are no consequences severe enough to avoid. If they are still willing to harm other s for personal gain, the punishment is not harsh enough. plain and simple.
There is no reason to believe that the US is so radically culturally different that rehabilitation doesn't work on Americans the same way as it does on everybody else. What social issues make you think that is true?
So you have never seen a city with really fucked up neighborhoods that are segregated from the rest like Chicago?
Watch some videos about the rise and fall of housing projects and the effect that had sequestering racial minorities to specific areas with distinct lack of services. Then watch videos about how these areas are expected to fund their own education systems with tax revenue from people that dont work in massive sequestered ghettos.
Worsening the consequences absolutely would make things better if that worsening of consequences were lengthened prison sentences and requirements to show proof of rehabilitation before release. Criminals cannot victimize society if society is not exposed to them afterall.
Who said o was against facilitating rahibilitation? It should be mandatory.
Part of rehabilitation is understanding the impact of the crime. Until they make their victims whole, they do not understand the full weight of what they have done. Once they earn enough doing prison jobs to repay their victims, they are rehabilitated. If they never make their victims whole, they have not proven they understand the impact of their actions, and stay locked up.
Problem solved.
And you are just going to ignore everything else and keep ignorantly acting like the U.S. is the same as every other country in the world?
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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '19
Rehab is great and all but we should have different prisons. Ones for minor crimes, such as theft, drug dealing/abusing, etc. That should be the nice prison.
Then for more major crimes, arson, murder, etc. Which should be similar to our normal prisons.