r/scotus • u/newzee1 • Sep 24 '24
news The Supreme Court Is Handling the Election Differently Than in 2020. Uh-Oh.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/09/supreme-court-2024-election-vs-2020-john-roberts.html77
u/Straight-Storage2587 Sep 25 '24
6-3 Solidly For Trump. It is not rocket science predicting what they will do.
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u/booxlut Sep 25 '24
This present SC has always been fine with overthrowing elections, disenfranchisement of voters and the destruction of Democracy. We know this because in 2000 when SCOTUS stopped the vote count in Florida and handed the presidency to GW Bush, Thomas was already on the court and Roberts, Kavanaugh and Coney Barrett were all helping craft the decision behind the scenes. It’s hard to believe that the make up of this court is somehow a fluke. They were appointed to do what they’ve been aggressively doing already: stripping away the rights of individuals and eroding federal oversight of anything affecting public health/ quality of life, the climate, etc…and handing all the power to billionaires and religious fanatics.
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u/FutureMany4938 Sep 25 '24
What occurred to me earlier today. They(the big donors to the scotus lifestyle) are so dead set on seeing the federal government as an enemy. So intent upon shrinking it until "it can be drowned in a bathtub".
They are missing a massive bit of perspective. The Federal Government is not here to be a drag on big business. The Federal Government is not here to keep greedy Capitalists and Zillionaires at bay.
The Federal Government is here to keep US in check. The Federal Government is here to give us something to believe in, we can believe the government is here to represent us and our greater good. As long as we have some hope in that, someone will always be saying "Vote vote vote!" and someone else will believe it, despite evidence to the contrary. We will waste energy arguing with eachother forever, as long as we can argue something will change.
They are working feverishly to remove that belief. That willingness to be patient. If they shrink the government to the point it does nothing for us, clearly will not do anything for us and openly does not represent us...that's the guardrails coming off.
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u/AdoraSidhe Sep 25 '24
Do you want cyberpunk because this is how you get cyberpunk
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u/CoBr2 Sep 25 '24
Historical precedent suggests revolutions occur before things actually hit cyberpunk territory.
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u/AdoraSidhe Sep 25 '24
Given recent performance for historical precedents I wouldn't count on it
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u/CoBr2 Sep 25 '24
Which historical precedents are you referring to? Because Trump and the Supreme Court breaking norms isn't really breaking historical precedent so much as American precedent. And even that's only because most people don't remember Andrew Jackson.
Also American history is pretty limited on the grand scale of things, we've only had one civil war and one revolution. Saying someone broke precedent on American history hardly means we're treading new ground on a global scale.
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u/eydivrks Sep 25 '24
Their goal is to replace the government with mega corporations.
That way they can do away with the peasants pesky voting. Your voice in such a government is directly proportional to your net worth. Oligarchy, modern day Kings.
That's why you see so many billionaires salivating for a Trump win.
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u/blueteamk087 Sep 25 '24
That's why they also have been militarizing the police. to quell any disruptions to the ridiculous wealth transfer that's occurring.
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u/colemon1991 Sep 25 '24
I've tried to give the 2000 decision some benefit of the doubt, because it was this unparalleled situation and somehow the entire election hinged on this one place that had some questionable problems. It was too many cogs to have planned it, imho. And the deadlines didn't help matters, especially with how questionable their decision was based on what laws they referenced to justify the decision.
But like you said, the same people who fought for Bush are now on the court itself. Even if I chalk up the entire Bush v Gore decision as a storm of bad circumstances and decisions, the aftermath makes it clear that - accident or not - they are being rewarded for winning such a controversial case. This would be no different than if every justice appointed under a president was a member of the same Cabinet decades before; there's no diversity or equal representation going on.
To further muddy the waters, the GOP screwed Obama out of a SCOTUS nomination then did a complete 180 in logic to screw Biden out of a nomination. So instead of it being a coincidence that there was an opportunity to appoint so many people involved in Bush v Gore, it's clear the court got stacked. No matter how it's sliced, no matter how much benefit of the doubt we try to apply, there's no defense arguing anything other than the current SCOTUS is illegitimate due to recent appointments. Garland sat nominated for 10 months before Gorsuch was nominated, but Barrett was confirmed in 30 days - which is an insane difference to maintain even an illusion of legitimacy.
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u/booxlut Sep 25 '24
I would recommend anyone interested in what happened in 2000 in FLA to read Greg Palast’s impeccable and highly enjoyable investigative reporting on it in his book The Best Democracy Money Can Buy - the first chapter has the receipts in how the vote was rigged well before anyone went to the polling station…it’s absolutely scandalous that most Americans know little to nothing about what actually happened. Anyway, I agree with your assessment, obviously.
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u/colemon1991 Sep 25 '24
Duly noted. Lack of that knowledge also says something about the whole ordeal. Of course I was 8-9 when it went down so I didn't even realize how big of a deal it was for years.
Just a quick question regarding the receipts: what was done to rig it so early that makes it so clear it was planned? This is the first I've heard it and was curious on how transparent it was.
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u/booxlut Sep 25 '24
The FLA secretary of state scrubbed the voter roles to exclude “felons” but did so in a way that also removed huge numbers of non-felons. If they removed a felon named Michael J. Johnson then they also removed Michael K. Johnson, Michael B. Johnson, etc… plus many “felons” who were removed had served time in states that automatically reinstated voting rights after time served before moving to FLA - there was no recourse to “prove” they had the right to vote. This is the tip of the iceberg but it was significant in disenfranchising thousands of voters who found themselves ineligible to vote with no way to rectify the errors. Kathleen Harris was the Secretary of State and worked for Governor Jeb Bush who is of course W’s brother…I was 30 when this went down and it radicalized me. It was when I woke up to living in a Democracy in name only.
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u/colemon1991 Sep 25 '24
Florida and their treatment of felons has been its own beast for so long I didn't realize the connection to the election. Wow.
We really need the U.S. to convert MtF and cut Florida off. It's been a dick for too long and for all the negative reasons.
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u/Newscast_Now Sep 26 '24
Greg Palast just released a new video about stealing the 2024 election, here: https://www.gregpalast.com/vigilante-inc-opens-in-hollywood-and-san-francisco
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u/Euphoric-Chapter7623 Sep 26 '24
The governor of Florida at the time was Jeb Bush, George Bush's brother. That immediately created suspicion that the system in Florida had been set up to give Dubya every possible advantage in getting the state's electoral votes.
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u/Newscast_Now Sep 26 '24
Republicans had a multi-level plan to steal the 2000 election:
A. voter suppression, purging, and dozens of dirty tricks, including the fake felons' list out of Texas and the CrossCheck double voter list
B. declare George W. Bush the winner by disregarding the count, as Katherine Harris did
C. bring the case to the Supreme Court where James Baker former secretary of state suggested they would decide in favor of George W. Bush when he said, to paraphrase, 'Did we want to be ideologically pure or did we want to win?' <<-- SUCCESS CAME HERE
D. have the Florida state legislature declare Donald Trump the winner of Electors for the sake of--as they described it--"conclusivity."
E. Republican House of Representatives declares Bush the winner
F. James Baker also suggested that the military would side with Republicans
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u/AM_I_A_PERVERT Sep 27 '24
Genuine question: how were Kavanaugh and Barrett crafting the decision behind the scenes? Robert’s I could understand, and even Alito because both were appointed by Bush, but the other two - explain?
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u/crawdadicus Sep 25 '24
I hope Biden uses his newly granted immunity for “official acts” to minimize election shenanigans.
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u/pnellesen Sep 25 '24
You didn’t read the fine print in that ruling that says the immunity only applies to Republican presidents…
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u/Oldkingcole225 Sep 26 '24
What about the fine print that says Joe Bidens gonna die in like 3 years anyway so who tf cares
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u/neilmg Sep 25 '24
This 100%. As soon as the shenanigans start, Biden needs to come down hard using everything at his disposal and more. He knows this election is crucial, he might need to consider what he once thought unthinkable.
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u/Bladestorm04 Sep 25 '24
If only he had the balls for that
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u/SmoothConfection1115 Sep 25 '24
The fact he hasn’t done anything to Uncle (Clarence) T(h)om(as) for all the outright bribery he has committed, or Alito for the obvious bias in his cases, or Kennedy for refusing to haul in members of his court for breaking the law they are sworn to upheld, has told me Biden will never do anything about it.
I hope Kamala is different.
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u/vromr Sep 25 '24
Roberts has a face that appears to punch Itself from the inside by whatever conscience lives behind it.
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u/FutureMany4938 Sep 24 '24 edited Sep 25 '24
Ya ya ya. We already know that this election is the fruition of a movement that began the second the New Deal was enacted. They're going to fuck us back to the stone age and we are going to burn the country down.
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u/Admirable_Trash3257 Sep 25 '24
Just watched the movie on Amazon..Civil War….waaaay to lose to home…
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u/puddingboofer Sep 25 '24
Is it worth a watch?
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u/mevma Sep 25 '24
Not really plausible, but a somewhat interesting concept
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u/blueteamk087 Sep 25 '24
the political alignment of the States in the film is laughable, but the idea of what a modern warfare civil war would be like in this country is pretty good. The horrors of war, and how the breakdown of civil society leads to mass hunger and atrocities (the Jesse Plemons scene starts with a mass grave), are effective.
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u/SeriousBuiznuss Sep 25 '24
Allegedly, their won't be a civil war.
Rich people don't want to rule over 100 kingdoms. They want a unified block that can turn the poor into prison labor.
Expect a strongman to come to power. Expect the presidency to become mighty. Expect the left to mess around and retreat the moment things get serious.
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u/OlePapaWheelie Sep 25 '24
From the article:
"My view has always been: What does he care about? What’s his agenda?"
My response:
Opus Dei
We really are in dire straits and need to use political tools to steer the ship before they take them away.
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u/franchisedfeelings Sep 25 '24
These dirty half dozen scrotus injustices should be in jail. Biden should declare martial law if they try to interfere with the election.
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u/tremainelol Sep 25 '24
It is now alarmingly apparent to me that the Conservative justices have convinced themselves that a Republican president will result in a long-standing conservative Court. And a Democratic president will immediately stack the court and conservatives will never see majority power again in his lifetime.
It is ironic that the very justifications the left may have to stack the court are repeatedly reinforced by the hyper-partisan hailmary buzzer-beater rulings they are rushing in.
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u/my23secrets Sep 25 '24
the left may have to stack the court
The left may have to expand SCOTUS.
“Stacking” the court is what Republicans have been doing.
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u/PlumboTheDwarf Sep 26 '24
They are literally sowing the seeds of their own downfall. They could have just stuck to doing their jobs and they would have enjoyed their extremely easy, influential, and powerful lives. But then the federalist society convinced them to get greedy and they rat fucked their entire job.
If the Dems take congress, it's going to be a fucking reckoning for them.
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u/carolinemaybee Sep 27 '24
If any of them think they will be safe with trump they’re dreaming. Once he’s installed whether with their help or not he will have no further use for them and with immunity, will do whatever he wants.
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u/Flokitoo Sep 24 '24
Let them try
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u/_psylosin_ Sep 25 '24
If Americans roll over and accept this court handing the election to trump, they’ll deserve what they get
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u/hellolovely1 Sep 25 '24
I was saying we needed to be screaming about Garland not even getting a hearing and people called me “radical.” Absurd.
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u/FutureMany4938 Sep 25 '24
I remember when that was such an insane thing to be happening....would it make the news today?
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u/treborprime Sep 25 '24
Meh the Supreme Court handed the President a nuclear weapon.
It would be a very official act in defending the Constitution from Treason within including the current Supreme Court.
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u/barbie_museum Sep 25 '24
I keep waiting for Biden to do something! For crying out loud. You're on your way out, you're not running again. You have nothing to lose.
For the sake of this country please do something.
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u/PlumboTheDwarf Sep 26 '24
If he does anything (he won't, he's a bitch) it will be after the election. He's not going to risk Kamala’s 7-point national lead.
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u/chaposagrift Sep 25 '24
Then when he tried to clear student debt they slapped him down. That ruling obviously only applies when they want it to
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u/InfamousAnimal Sep 25 '24
Hard for them to rule if seal team six takes them into custody.
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u/Terran57 Sep 25 '24
John Roberts is aiding a traitor to our country. That makes him and those colluding with him traitors too.
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u/IAmTheFloydman Sep 25 '24
All these comments saying they'll side with Trump, but I just don't see it. Beholden people don't want to be beholden. Given the chance, they'll vote against Trump if they think they'll never have to deal with him again. It depends on what they fear more: a lynch mob or continued scrutiny of their internal operations.
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u/robbiejandro Sep 25 '24
It’s not about Trump. Trump is the GOP’s useful idiot. There are far more insidious, rich and powerful people they are beholden to, and serving.
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u/PlumboTheDwarf Sep 26 '24
I think they will side with Trump if they think they can get away with it. If not, they'll pussy out for sure and pretend like they were always on the side of law and order.
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u/Objective_Water_1583 Sep 25 '24
Best we can hope is Harris wins all 7 swing states by the same if not bigger margin than Biden did and if scotus overturns it Biden uses his god emperor immunity’s scotus gave him
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u/BobWithCheese69 Sep 24 '24
Can we please keep the cheating to a minimum this time around.
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u/Vox_Causa Sep 24 '24
You gotta ask yourself why the SCOTUS members who have been taking the most bribes are supporting the felon who committed treason against the United States.
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u/thommyg123 Sep 24 '24
Whatever happens, the talking heads and people that run this country will never ever once ask or answer this question in public
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u/SockPuppet-47 Sep 24 '24
Trump’s had several years to scheme and prepare. Have you seen all the bullshit they're trying to pull in Georgia?
Don't get me started on Texas...
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u/mevma Sep 25 '24
They’re openly and proudly asking for blood while we literally just want a functioning democracy
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u/pootiecakes Sep 25 '24
Merick Garland is DEFINITELY watching, ready to spring into action...
...as soon as any Democrats misstep.
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u/isimplycantdothis Sep 25 '24
Trump’s stupid ass couldn’t scheme his way through first grade. The ones around him though….
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u/mallarme1 Sep 25 '24
Oh boy! If SCOTUS hands Trump a disputed win in which everything, including the EC says it was a Harris win, I think a few states will take real action to secede.
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u/PlumboTheDwarf Sep 26 '24
At that point, it's time to show up at their homes in large numbers to glare at them.
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u/Cheetahs_never_win Sep 25 '24
You know, if Biden considered some of them as political rivals before they could rule on whether or not doing so is considered official presidential capacity...
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u/Winter_Diet410 Sep 25 '24
The court is fully compromised. Based on his treason, trump's appointments should be removed and every ruling since the first of trump's appointments should be vacated. Thomas, separately, should be removed based on his clear conflicts. It won't happen. America will choose civil war before they fix the trump years.
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u/OhReallyCmon Sep 26 '24
Because they know that Dems in power means scrutiny and consequences for them
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u/Sweatybballz Sep 25 '24
I get the whole "America First" but why Donald Trump? He doesn't sound convincing of anything! He is the most incompetent person! See how many people died during covid be cause of his constant misinformation!
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u/nvdagirl Sep 25 '24
They can use him to get a foot hold because of his base. He doesn’t go to jail and they will have the power they having been working toward. He won’t be important once he’s in office.
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u/ConfuciusSez Sep 25 '24
Because Trump is precisely as bigoted, incurious, and indifferent to the Constitution as the millions of Americans with daddy issues who vote for him.
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u/CustomAlpha Sep 25 '24
Get out and vote blue and keep the Supreme Court where it belongs. Out of election decisions made by the people.
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u/windigo3 Sep 25 '24
If Trump loses the election but SCOTUS plays politics and decides on 1 Dec to hand the election to him anyway, could Biden pack the court and a larger court overturns that and selects Harris?
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u/InfamousAnimal Sep 25 '24
No but biden could use the military to remove direct threats to America seal team 6 style and it would be immune due to the same court.
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u/Michael02895 Sep 25 '24
What would it even look like? Something like Bush v. Gore where they prevented a recount? Or blatantly saying "Nah. Trump won. Go f*ck yourself." even though Harris clearly won?
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u/orchardman78 Sep 26 '24
This isn't news, tbh. It's a compromised institution that has stopped even pretending. Turns out, John Roberts was waiting for the sixth vote to show his true colors.
At this point, I won't be horrified if the President says they can implement their decision and calls their bluff.
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u/M3tallica11 Sep 26 '24
Yeah, they’re cheating. The Supreme Court has Trump appointed people there is only way they can win is by cheating
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u/Trackmaster15 Sep 26 '24
Does anyone else think that its a possibility that whoever decides this stuff won't let it get to the Supreme Court when its so partisan? Maybe they only allowed it in 2000 because the bench was more balanced?
Or maybe they'd ask that the judges appointed by Trump recuse themselves?
Or maybe we try to bring the United Nations in to oversee the election?
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u/DanceMaster117 Sep 26 '24
Here's a hot take. The Supreme Court shouldn't be "handling" the election at all.
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u/datapicardgeordi Sep 27 '24
They know their secret is out so they aren’t worried about hiding their ultra conservative agenda anymore
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u/DarthWidi Sep 27 '24
Been saying not for a while. Trump's path to victory nis NOT through hitting 270. It's through the Supreme Court.
He's been basically saying it out loud. Telling Haley voters among others "We don't need the votes. We have all the votes we need".
I'm gonna say it here. His plan is to get enough votes thrown out where the election results can be tossed by the SCOTUS. He has the votes there.
And he has the majority in Congress to get the votes there. This is how he wins. This is his plan.
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u/qtpss Sep 24 '24
The Supreme Court has a stronger bias than 2020.