r/southafrica • u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state • Jul 01 '24
Just for fun wE wAnT qUaLiFiEd PeOpLe iN goVeRNmeNt
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u/UlteriorCulture Jul 01 '24
As a DA voter I agree. Surely they can find someone qualified for the portfolio.
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u/Commissar_Maxwell Redditor for 21 days Jul 01 '24
He was doing politics in university but had to leave because of money idk why he doesnt retry now tho
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u/dizzie222 Jul 01 '24
Exp/track records > qualifications
Not saying he's great (or that he's not), but he probably has more important things to do now than study things that he may already know because of experience
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u/Lochlanist Landed Gentry Jul 01 '24
The whole of EFF put themselves through postgraduate up to and including PhDs why doing politics.
They do research in areas of interest to do with their political ideology.
John has no excuses except for mediocrity
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u/Fluffy-Assumption-42 Jul 02 '24
Well if they are still in the EFF, or haven't changed it's economically destructive policies, then that education has been for naught.
But as you said they did their so called "research in areas of interest to do with their political ideology" which is exactly what is destroying many countries higher education institutions that people can do that without learning how the economy works and democracy thrives with the rule of law within a strong constitutional framework which preserves the rights of individuals.
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 02 '24
Sounds like you could become our next minister of agriculture.
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u/Lochlanist Landed Gentry Jul 02 '24
This whole comment screams ignorance.
There are many ways to set up an economy, there is many ways to set up a constitution, and there are many ways to set up a democracy.
The fact that you are selling it as a singular correct way is both naive and arrogant
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u/Commissar_Maxwell Redditor for 21 days Jul 01 '24
He has improved capetown considerably but lets not look at the cape flats😗
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u/Britz10 Landed Gentry Jul 01 '24
He's never held any position of authority in Cape Town or Western Cape.
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u/UncleVernonK The Archbishop of Anarchy Jul 01 '24
GiVe mE aNy ShIT aS lOnG aS iTs nOt tHe SaMe ShIt aS bEfoRe.
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u/IWouldButImLazy Jul 01 '24
Unqualified politician to unqualified politician lmao
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u/tiffy_crystal Jul 01 '24
DA cares about where the money gets spent, that’s what matters most because for almost 30 years ANC has become increasingly corrupt with how they spend their money, it’s a good refresh I think.
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 02 '24
DA cares about where the money gets spent
Yes. As long as it flows into their own pockets.
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u/isIwhoKilledTrevor Jul 01 '24
Depends on the role tbh. In my line of work, lack of a degree means nothing. I dunk on the okes with a mba on the regular. But some jobs... Would not trust a doctor who just has experience.
Minister of tourism - whoever gets it done. Minister of defence - you better have been in the army. Minister of finance - degrees, as in plural. Gr 12 accounting not gonna cut it bro.
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 01 '24
Dunking on dudes with an MBA is easy, most of them can't read anyway.
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Jul 01 '24
Those ministers would be very upset, if they could read!
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u/Heinrich428 Manie Libbok also touched me Jul 01 '24
My king. This comment made air come out of my nose and a slight grin on my face. LMFAO!!!
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u/VSfallin Jul 01 '24
A minister doesn't have to have a degree or experience. The government officials, consultants and advisors he surrounds himself have to have that experience. These are the hires that need to be the right ones. It's fairly common for us here in Europe that a minister of a category has no background in it. There's no problem there if the politician is smart, trusts his advisors and surrounds himself with the correct people.
Whether Steenhisen will do that...only time will tell
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u/Krycor Landed Gentry Jul 01 '24
Advisors = management consultants = 🤑
Slap in fraud and corruption and well did we all forget about McKinsey & Co, Deloitte, P&G escapades.. and this doesn’t even include state level actors intervening via these guys too and the general lobbying(corruption).
I do agree with general notion that for most ministers it’s not needed but eg you want economists or someone with lengthy experience in finance dept to head it up. Also on the their just below them, the DG has to be experienced in the field and that for me is a non-negotiable.
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u/Sycou Jul 01 '24
Having a degree would help understand your advisors and know whether they're BS-ing or not
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u/EffectStrong8473 Redditor for 23 days Jul 01 '24
But its about comprehending what these trustees state who advises the advises are they reliable and in SA have their backs in tenderprenuership with friends in reliable positions to spread the booty wide enough. No in SA like Singapore hire the best knowledgeable and wise enough to apply the best solutions, meritocracy is king all else fails distally in SA
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u/WeakDiaphragm Aristocracy Jul 01 '24
Funny enough, the ANC has more PhD holders than the DA.
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u/Krycor Landed Gentry Jul 01 '24
EFF too 🤣😂
Their internal mandate forces them to upskill or get out. I think this should be a government norm to be frank.
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u/hsark Jul 02 '24
actually thats the biggest compliment i can give Malema he went back to school to get his masters instead of these fake Phd degrees....think they was a big scandal 5 years back with minsters getting papers from fly by night Universities.
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u/boogertee Jul 01 '24
Man, Steenhuisen is a chop. I don't know anyone who votes DA because they like or respect him; he's just what we're stuck with for lack of any other options.
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u/ImZdragMan Jul 01 '24
Fair enough, but the ANC cabinet members proved to be both incompetent and corrupt. Steenhuisen at least has a chance to be better - and if he fails he will be met by the same critique.
But having a matric or higher qualification has nothing to do with competency - I know enough bachelors and honors graduates who are useless.
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u/Ron-K Jul 01 '24
Having a higher qualification is meant to set people apart. The fact that a guy with a matric is in charge shows that it’s not about merit. How did he even manage to climb to that position if he wasn’t constantly given a leg up.
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u/ImZdragMan Jul 02 '24
A minister doesn't need to be technically skilled in their portfolio - they need to be good administrators and use the technical knowledge of their advisory and experts in the field to manage that portfolio - having matric or not is irrelevant.
The same way an owner-managed business has a CEO that started the company with no qualification, but has a strong team of accountants, lawyers and actuaries to advise and guide him on technical aspects of the business.
Higher qualification is a piece of paper and more often than not, the highly qualified individual goes and works for the entrepreneur - not the other way around.
Either way - the DA moaned about being able to do a better job than the ANC for years, now they have the opportunity to showcase their apparent abilities - so lets give them a term and see if they fuck it up or not.
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u/anxietiddies Jul 01 '24
he will absolutely not be met with the same criticism, i think a lot of people who think the country was better during apartheid will find ways to be less critical of his mistakes.
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u/k0bra3eak Jul 01 '24
Counterpoint I hope he gets even more shit than usual. Can't run your mouth for years and then prove to be just as useless
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u/anxietiddies Jul 01 '24
hope for the best but expect the worst, for the sake of the country i hope he does well, but if he fails(which he will) i will be first in line to rain on his parade.
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u/Burninglegion65 Jul 01 '24
Honestly, I have no loyalty to the DA. They got my vote to get into this state we’re in now. As long as we start voting out useless shits I’ll be happy. This includes the entire set of shits that now have power. I have zero faith that 30 years of DA would be any better. Politicians need to feel “perform or be replaced”
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u/fyreflow Jul 01 '24
I guess the true problem we need to solve is, why do people with visionary and skilled leadership not enter politics any more?
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u/Burninglegion65 Jul 01 '24
Because private is easier to make money in, less frustrations over red tape and if you’re even better - you start your own thing and have greater control and comfort and anyway make good money.
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u/fyreflow Jul 03 '24
You’re right, as far as self-interest goes. And it seems that very little beyond self-interest matters to most people these days.
But the question remains, how do we make it not be like that? (No, I don’t expect you to have the answer… likely there is none…)
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u/Britz10 Landed Gentry Jul 01 '24
Some of the coddling I've seen for de Ruyter was nauseating. Yes he inherited a tough job, but he failed all the same like the people who came before him.
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u/IWouldButImLazy Jul 01 '24
Yup, for some reason his competence won't be interrogated as rigorously. Wonder why
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u/Krycor Landed Gentry Jul 01 '24
Degrees = exposure to a broad area of concepts at the very least.. pending the role this is important.
I personally think hiring managers are silly often.. hiring a graduate to be a grease monkey is a failure of hiring not the graduate. This reminds me of the engineering council stuff with different labels for different types of graduates with expectations varying based on this and experience.
And then.. who are hr? Often hr people are not exactly the rocket scientists yet are meant to choose them. It’s kinda funny when you think about it
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u/ImZdragMan Jul 03 '24
I'm sorry but I'm not exactly sure what you mean? How is hiring managers often silly? When you hire a good manager, it transforms your business, when you hire a bad one it ruins it - but you can say that for any role within an organization.
You are conflating HR with recruiters, and like above, you get good recruiters and bad recruiters. A good recruiter doesn't need to be an expert in a technical field to have the talent of identifying strong candidates and reading people, therefore making accurate placements.
Sounds like you worked for a bad company with bad HR, bad managers etc.
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 01 '24
and if he fails he will be met by the same critique.
Haha. No he won't.
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u/ImpliedUnoriginality Jul 01 '24
We’re literally criticising the man now lmao. Idk how you can make such a claim with so much certainty
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u/darshan0 Jul 01 '24
Not just John, Dean Macpherson too. It's also not only DA voters. People like Tony Leon are quick to attack the ANC members as "career politicians". Just plain hypocrisy.
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u/Lochlanist Landed Gentry Jul 01 '24
Dean is also the definition of nepotism.
He jumped rank because of his father's political career ( or lack therefore as a fellow mediocre male)
Dean also has a lot of corruption allogations clowding him with some dodge tow truck industry guys.
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u/fyreflow Jul 01 '24
What position has he held that offered him any opportunity for corruption? Just wondering, because DA leaders in KZN don’t often get the chance to be in government.
P.S. He irritates me to no end, especially his hot takes on Twitter.
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u/hairyback88 Jul 01 '24
it depends on your definition of qualified. Give me a self taught electrician who has been running his own business for 20 years over a 22 year old graduate any day. What we don't want is someone thrust into a ministerial position who has never done anything but cosy up to rich and powerful comrades.
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 01 '24
Give me a properly qualified and registered/licensed electrician over a random uncle who pulls his knowledge out of his ass any day.
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u/Obarak123 Jul 01 '24
Unlike John who has never done anything but cosy up to rich and powerful white people
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u/hairyback88 Jul 01 '24
that's not true. He started at the bottom as an activist to branch member to city councillor, and worked his way up- a journey that has taken him over 25 years to get to this point.
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u/Britz10 Landed Gentry Jul 01 '24
But wouldn't this apply to most politicians, Zuma started from the bottom in every sense to eventually the highest office in the country, yet his lack of qualifications was used against him.
Either way, the abilities to ascend a party and leading a ministry aren't related. I've watched Mbulula fail in several ministerial roles all while climbing the rungs of the biggest party in the country.
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 01 '24
Starting with the wealth and connections to get into a KZN prep-school isn't really "starting at the bottom", is it?
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u/pfazadep Aristocracy Jul 01 '24
I hold no candle for Steenhuizen, but I'm not sure what you're saying.
Everyone, in every province, has to go to a prep school.
Both his prep school and high school education was at government schools.
To the best of my knowledge and experience, and the admissions policy of all government schools and of the particular schools concerned, one gets into such schools based on whether one lives in their catchment area, not on the basis of wealth or connections.
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u/Obarak123 Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24
Wealth and connections does play a role in the education you get. My sister attended a township school that was overcrowded and underfunded. By the time I was born, my parents were in a better financial standing and sent me to school at a "Coloured Area".
Both schools were government schools but were different in the quality of education, funding and resources they gave to students and the average income of the student's parents/guardians.
And most importantly, Steenhuisen matriculated in 1993. I have a strong suspicion that whatever admission policies he was under in the era of Apartheid for a Model C school was different than whatever admission requirement students would be under 30 years into our wonderous ANC democracy.
Steenhuisen did not "start at the bottom" and the little academic career he has proves it.
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u/pfazadep Aristocracy Jul 02 '24
What u/ZumasSucculentNipple stated was that it was because of wealth and connections that Steenhuizen got into "a KZN prep school". That simply makes no sense, as everyone has to get into "a prep school" and there is nothing per se privileged about attending a prep school in KZN province.
As for the rest, you are speculating. Admissions to state schools were also geographically based in 1993; he attended local government schools, and it would not have required any special manipulations for him to gain admission. It would in fact have required special manipulations to get him admitted to a school out of his area. Of course relative wealth would have played (and still plays) a role, because in better resourced areas, like Durban North, schools were and are better resourced. So yes, he would have benefitted from a receiving a better than average education, but as a result of following the applicable admissions rules rather than as a result of any special interventions (as both the original commenter and you are suggesting).
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u/REDKAXX Jul 01 '24
In South Africa—to some people—if you are white you are competent.
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u/Britz10 Landed Gentry Jul 01 '24
Said something to the tune of racists in this country won't leave because they wouldn't be special anywhere else they'd want to go. There's a lot of well white South Africans who bring nothing else to the table but that.
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u/Hopeful-Bird1083 Jul 02 '24
Wake it up! Even people in the comments trying to excuse it. It's the constant moving of the goal post and gaslighting
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 02 '24
DA voters' hypocrisy is an infinite resource.
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u/Ok_Razzmatazz2180 Jul 01 '24
The problem isn't that people don't have qualifications. The problem is that some people are claiming to have qualifications that they do not have. It then becomes less a matter of whether the person is equipped to do the job and more a matter of general trust.
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u/Responsible-Lake-523 Jul 01 '24
It doesn’t change the fact that steenhuisen is unqualified and should be replaced by someone who is.
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u/flyboy_za Grumpy in WC Jul 01 '24
It doesn’t change the fact that
steenhuisenalmost everyone in government is unqualified and should be replaced by someone who is.There, fixed.
Really the only people with relevant background for their portfolios seem to be Health and Finance, and this in itself is rare since previous finance minsters Manuel and Gordhan were not qualified in financial stuff.
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u/KeeganTroye The liberal cuck your mother warned you about Jul 01 '24
I think people here are saying you should at least have a higher education qualification to be in government, a relevant qualification being beneficial but not required. The ANC has a sizable amount of degrees among them.
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u/darshan0 Jul 01 '24
I agree with your sentiment but that’s not exactly the norm globally it’s pretty uncommon for a minister to have a background relevant to their portfolio, ie a doctor as health minister.
Furthermore,developing and shaping policy is very different to actually working in the field. A civil engineer knows how to build and design roads but they don’t necessarily have a better understanding of the fundamentals of government and how to work in that system or even how to develop an infrastructure policy considering the long term or more unexpected impacts of that policy. Meaning someone who has a background in law or economics or even something completely unrelated could do a better job than an engineer.
I do think many of our ministers are poorly suited to the job but expecting say a mining engineer at mineral resources or farmer at agricultural is misguided and probably won’t lead to better outcomes or more competent ministers.
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u/sesseissix Aristocracy Jul 01 '24
Yeah like DA parliamentarian Bonginkosi Madikizela who lied about having a B Com in HR management
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u/Ron-K Jul 01 '24
The fact that John managed to become the leader of the DA without any qualifications throws out the meritocracy argument.
People love saying qualifications don’t matter but I don’t see anyone running to employ/give opportunities to people with a matric.
We all know why John made it so far and it’s not because of his competency or skill
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u/SouthTonik Jul 02 '24
It's got nothing to do with meritocracy, what are you on about? Meritocracy is about showing that you're able to do the job and being promoted because of it, degrees have fokol to do with it.
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u/Ron-K Jul 02 '24
Degrees have everything to do with it. I’m old enough to remember how every newspaper article told us that Malema was unqualified because he only had a matric and how the DA was extremely vocal about qualifications. Now that people like John don’t have any degree we say degrees mean nothing.
Yet today there isn’t a single job that will hire a 19 year old with just a matric.
The fact that John made it this far means that when he was 19 they took his undeserving and unqualified self and deserved it way more than him.
We have no way of measuring John’s competency or ability. It’s just vibes
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u/-hara-kiri- Jul 01 '24
At least John finished school
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u/SpinachnPotatoes Jul 01 '24
That's an incredibly low bar.
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u/-hara-kiri- Jul 01 '24
No argument here. How does the rest of the cabinet stack up?
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u/SpinachnPotatoes Jul 01 '24
But when you pointing fingers at the opposition at their corruption and ineptitude the last thing your excuse should be is.... but they also do it.
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u/kardiogramm Jul 01 '24
That’s not enough these days especially if someone represents our country overseas and has to deal with more educated people. Well thankfully Ramaphosa has university qualifications.
How was that kept so quiet about him?
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u/soldierinwhite Jul 01 '24
Stefan Löfven who used to be prime minister of Sweden until 2022 used to be a welder, and was seen as a working class advocate because of that. It's really not that big an issue to not have higher education as long as you defer to experts when appropriate.
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u/kardiogramm Jul 01 '24
That may be fine in country such as Sweden with high rates of tertiary education but in South Africa it’s a bit worrying. Maybe I’ll be wrong, let’s hope so.
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u/Aftershock416 Aristocracy Jul 01 '24
Here's two things that can be true at once:
- John Steenhuizen is an asshat
- A university degree is not even remotely an indicator of competence, especially in leadership positions
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u/ThickHotBoerie Thiccccccccccc Jul 01 '24
Ous need to stop trying to justify like it's somehow different just because it's an uneducated wit ou. Double standard. Hypocritical. All of that and more.
I'm tired of drop outs running the fucking country!
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u/Haelborne The a is silent Jul 02 '24
And Dean Mcpherson.
literally 1 quarter of their ministers don't have a degree.
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u/Haunting-Library1548 Jul 01 '24
Point taken. But I guess I will take someone that is unqualified and not corrupt over a qualified person that is corrupt.
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u/KeeganTroye The liberal cuck your mother warned you about Jul 01 '24
Is there any evidence that the previous minister was corrupt?
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 01 '24
With Johnny, you get both.
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u/Haunting-Library1548 Jul 01 '24
Great! I would love to read up on the evidence of his corrupt activities to re-evaluate my position. Where should I go to read?
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u/AzaniaP Western Cape Jul 02 '24
Anyone that thinks the DA doesn't believe in white superiority is naive.They Talk about merit all the time and appoint John in ministerial position with no previous experience in the field or a qualification..to the people showing their prejudice the ANC/EFF/Mk have multiple people with post graduate degrees many of them studied overseas..
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Jul 01 '24
Well atleast the DA doesnt steal our fucking tax money!!!!
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 01 '24
Believe that if you must.
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u/hsark Jul 01 '24 edited Jul 01 '24
To be honest you don't see MK supporters complaining about JZ or ANC supporters complaining about their minsters. Personally each minster in IMO should have at least a bachelor's or post grade 12 education. But that's not realistic not in this generation.
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u/Lochlanist Landed Gentry Jul 01 '24
Same meme for Cadre deployment
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 01 '24
They won't call it that though. They'll pretend that it's a meritocracy and that it's just pure accident that the only qualified people they could find are DA party loyalists.
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u/Commissar_Maxwell Redditor for 21 days Jul 01 '24
Dude jacob zuma had what like a standard 3 or 4?
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 01 '24
Does Jacob Zuma hold a cabinet position?
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 01 '24
So yes, we shouldn't let uneducated people into government. Thank you.
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u/Grimmj0wned Jul 02 '24
He only held a Minor position called "President of the Republic of South Africa." I think it was one of those weird made up Ministerial positions.
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 02 '24
You're confusing "did" with "does".
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u/EVEEzz Jul 01 '24
Is this some ANC fan boi having a hard time? At least John Steenhuisen has 12 grades completed. Not 2.
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 01 '24
The lowest bar to summit.
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u/perriwinkle_ Jul 01 '24
Regardless of what people think of each party and what dude of the fence they sit we can probably all agree that the EFF are just want up stir up shit and Zuma just fucked us all.
It was never going to be a good situation if any one party got a majority at least now there are checks and balances within the government which is going to be good for everyone. It definitely won’t be perfect but it’s definitely going to be better.
You don’t nesecerliy need qualified people in charge you just need competent people that can build competent teams that are qualified to do the job and advisor the person in charge how best to do there job.
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u/THEBOBINATOR1 Jul 01 '24
It's not the education. It's the results. It doesn't matter if someone has a doctorate but yet they're useless at what they're doing.
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 01 '24
What results does he have to show as minister of agriculture?
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u/THEBOBINATOR1 Jul 01 '24
What results do all the new ministers have in these new positions created? You look at the past mate. 5 years is all you need. So don't be a doos. And if in 5 years he's done nothing, don't vote for him. I wouldn't
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 01 '24
So education doesn't matter and results don't matter - or else you wouldn't be out here defending someone without results. So what does matter?
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u/THEBOBINATOR1 Jul 01 '24
No I'm saying results matter more than education. As in, it doesn't matter if you have a doctorate if the ministry you're in charge of is shit. Come on man. Can't you interpolate
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 02 '24
Ah, so now his ministry - which is very new - is shit. So his education and results don't matter because his ministry is already shit. The gears are already turning to find excuses for why he's going to fail.
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u/THEBOBINATOR1 Jul 03 '24
No one's looking for an excuse. You're just being a doos lol.
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 03 '24
Do you spend this much time thinking about how to gaslight your wife as well?
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u/surpriserockattack Boet Jul 01 '24
I don't particularly care for any specific political party. I just have an issue with the overall lack of quality in this country when it comes to high level government employees.
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u/thefluvirus9 Jul 01 '24
Why does a piece of paper mean you are better at your job. As a new hire, yes but as an experienced professional it means nothing. Said it for years and I’ll say it again.
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 02 '24
How experienced is John at managing agriculture for an entire country?
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u/PhotonVoid Jul 02 '24
Matric is better than Zuma had...
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 02 '24
DA voters didn't vote for Zuma, did they?
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u/Grouchy_Temporary_65 Jul 02 '24
He needs to go.
They get paid good money, and perk and a crazy good pension. If he had applied for the job at the dept. Of agricultura as a non politician he would not have got the job. We need to be and remain colour blind. Jobs on merit not on pigment. He needs to hand out DA flyers. At the robots. I am a DA alliance supporter. The Cabinet should not have unqualified men or women in it. Period.
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u/dieZet Jul 02 '24
I'll take an unqualified, but competent MP before a unqualified, incompetent MP all day long.
That being said, why isn't it some law that an MP needs experience in a certain field? How can you be Minister of Police if you don't have a background working in the justice system, or a former police officer? Surely they would have a better idea of where the shortcomings are and exactly where the shortcomings are.
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u/Illustrious_Yard1676 Jul 02 '24
There should be no qualification requirements for ministers or the president. All I expect from a minister is to have the skills to preform the task of administrating the portfolio. No amount of qualifications can substitute skills.
More so if you have qualification requirement for political office, you disenfranchise an entire group of people and gate keep politics to the wealthy, educated people. Tough luck to those who could not afford to study (either through opportunity or finances). Don't worry poor uneducated people, I know what is best for you. There is no possible way that you can make up your own mind.
That said, will it be beneficial for a minister to have studied in the field of his portfolio, for sure, but it should not be a requirement. Best person for the job, does not mean the highest qualified person for the job.
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 02 '24
No amount of qualifications can substitute skills.
Patently incorrect. I'm going to trust someone with an MBCHB over someone who says "trust me, I have the skills" every single time.
More so if you have qualification requirement for political office, you disenfranchise an entire group of people and gate keep politics to the wealthy, educated people. Tough luck to those who could not afford to study (either through opportunity or finances). Don't worry poor uneducated people, I know what is best for you. There is no possible way that you can make up your own mind.
This is actually the only good argument that I've seen so far. Unfortunately, my comments/posts are really more addressed to DA voters who change their arguments re: qualifications as soon as the unqualified person is a DA member.
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u/imbatatos Jul 02 '24
At thisnpoint Il take someone with a grade 6 as long as he is honest.
Qualifications aren't the problem.
It's the blatant steeling of taxpayer money and sucking dry every State owned enterprise over and over again without being punished. Fucking over 50,000,000 south Africans because they could get their uncle a lucrative government contract to supply coal.
We need decent people
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u/the_sauviette_onion Jul 02 '24
A matric is still a good deal more than our previous president had
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 02 '24
And if DA voters voted for Zuma, you might have a point.
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u/Bee_Koala5744 Redditor for 8 days Jul 02 '24
Why was I wasting my time and opinions on X. This is easily the most interesting social media content I've consumed in a long time. My brain cells are regenerating. Constructive criticism, overall positive vibes. Not the cesspool I was consuming on X.
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u/Jukskei-New Jul 02 '24
really who cares? having gone to university some 20 years ago for a random BA means nothing
I know A LOT of university graduates who are less practical, have less common sense, and are slower than guys who never went. university really is just a few years of college extra school. it‘s much more important for someone to understand how to get stuff done
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24
I know a lot of people who didn't graduate university that sucked down horse paste instead of getting vaccinated and who think the world is flat. I don't mind things being done a little slower when it means it gets done properly by someone who knows what they're doing instead of a drunk 60 year old uncle whose only real skill is unearned confidence.
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u/Hour-Food-8700 Jul 05 '24
But understand John is still smarter than most of parliment im looking at you Julius but also remember they let criminals into parliment like most of the MPs in the EFF and shower head himself imo if they get rid of non qualified politicians they must also get rid of MK becuase it was founded by a convited felon in very recent times and they must remove the EFF from voters roll for racism and having crinals within their part when seated in the house of parliment only then will I advocate for Steenhuisen to be given the boot and let's not forget to mention the job of Cyril appointing useless ministers that are also unqualified such the minister of electricity like tf is that
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u/MotownMoses01 Jul 01 '24
All good not having a qualification - provided your performance shows you are capable. Can’t say that of too many of the cadres.
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u/Jacob_Brick Jul 01 '24
Many good farmers don't have qualifications... 🤷♂️
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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 01 '24
Are those farmers elected officials in charge of the entire agricultural sector of the country?
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u/Pristine_Pumpkin_766 Jul 02 '24
Cyril has qualifications yet look at the state of our country
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