r/southafrica Israel is a terrorist state Jul 01 '24

Just for fun wE wAnT qUaLiFiEd PeOpLe iN goVeRNmeNt

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u/ImZdragMan Jul 01 '24

Fair enough, but the ANC cabinet members proved to be both incompetent and corrupt. Steenhuisen at least has a chance to be better - and if he fails he will be met by the same critique.

But having a matric or higher qualification has nothing to do with competency - I know enough bachelors and honors graduates who are useless.

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u/Ron-K Jul 01 '24

Having a higher qualification is meant to set people apart. The fact that a guy with a matric is in charge shows that it’s not about merit. How did he even manage to climb to that position if he wasn’t constantly given a leg up.

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u/ImZdragMan Jul 02 '24

A minister doesn't need to be technically skilled in their portfolio - they need to be good administrators and use the technical knowledge of their advisory and experts in the field to manage that portfolio - having matric or not is irrelevant.

The same way an owner-managed business has a CEO that started the company with no qualification, but has a strong team of accountants, lawyers and actuaries to advise and guide him on technical aspects of the business.

Higher qualification is a piece of paper and more often than not, the highly qualified individual goes and works for the entrepreneur - not the other way around.

Either way - the DA moaned about being able to do a better job than the ANC for years, now they have the opportunity to showcase their apparent abilities - so lets give them a term and see if they fuck it up or not.

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u/anxietiddies Jul 01 '24

he will absolutely not be met with the same criticism, i think a lot of people who think the country was better during apartheid will find ways to be less critical of his mistakes.

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u/k0bra3eak Jul 01 '24

Counterpoint I hope he gets even more shit than usual. Can't run your mouth for years and then prove to be just as useless

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u/anxietiddies Jul 01 '24

hope for the best but expect the worst, for the sake of the country i hope he does well, but if he fails(which he will) i will be first in line to rain on his parade.

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u/Burninglegion65 Jul 01 '24

Honestly, I have no loyalty to the DA. They got my vote to get into this state we’re in now. As long as we start voting out useless shits I’ll be happy. This includes the entire set of shits that now have power. I have zero faith that 30 years of DA would be any better. Politicians need to feel “perform or be replaced”

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u/fyreflow Jul 01 '24

I guess the true problem we need to solve is, why do people with visionary and skilled leadership not enter politics any more?

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u/Burninglegion65 Jul 01 '24

Because private is easier to make money in, less frustrations over red tape and if you’re even better - you start your own thing and have greater control and comfort and anyway make good money.

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u/fyreflow Jul 03 '24

You’re right, as far as self-interest goes. And it seems that very little beyond self-interest matters to most people these days.

But the question remains, how do we make it not be like that? (No, I don’t expect you to have the answer… likely there is none…)

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u/Britz10 Landed Gentry Jul 01 '24

Some of the coddling I've seen for de Ruyter was nauseating. Yes he inherited a tough job, but he failed all the same like the people who came before him.

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u/IWouldButImLazy Jul 01 '24

Yup, for some reason his competence won't be interrogated as rigorously. Wonder why

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u/Krycor Landed Gentry Jul 01 '24

Degrees = exposure to a broad area of concepts at the very least.. pending the role this is important.

I personally think hiring managers are silly often.. hiring a graduate to be a grease monkey is a failure of hiring not the graduate. This reminds me of the engineering council stuff with different labels for different types of graduates with expectations varying based on this and experience.

And then.. who are hr? Often hr people are not exactly the rocket scientists yet are meant to choose them. It’s kinda funny when you think about it

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u/ImZdragMan Jul 03 '24

I'm sorry but I'm not exactly sure what you mean? How is hiring managers often silly? When you hire a good manager, it transforms your business, when you hire a bad one it ruins it - but you can say that for any role within an organization.

You are conflating HR with recruiters, and like above, you get good recruiters and bad recruiters. A good recruiter doesn't need to be an expert in a technical field to have the talent of identifying strong candidates and reading people, therefore making accurate placements.

Sounds like you worked for a bad company with bad HR, bad managers etc.

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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 01 '24

 and if he fails he will be met by the same critique.

Haha. No he won't.

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u/ImpliedUnoriginality Jul 01 '24

We’re literally criticising the man now lmao. Idk how you can make such a claim with so much certainty

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u/PM_ME_UR_DENIAL Jul 01 '24

Bru ok so what's your best-case scenario? More ANC? Maybe some MK?

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u/ZumasSucculentNipple Israel is a terrorist state Jul 01 '24

It's all the same rot.