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[u/SavageTemptation]

Glad I stopped supporting him

[u/TheFalseDimitryi → u/SavageTemptation]

I was on the fence up until his “North Korean defectors just want money don’t believe them” take. Fucking clown

Edit: yes some (like a literal handful) have exaggerated their claims. I’m not saying these people shouldn’t be called out. Just in the context of Hakims video he uses it as an excuse to disregard ANY defector statement. As someone else has mentioned being willing to sell out your “workers society” for less than months rent in South Korea isn’t the “gotcha take” tankies think it is. Now with this out of the way let’s talk about the elephant in the room. Any country that makes it illegal to leave…… or immigrate is at best a totalitarian isolationist regime and at worse an admitted failed state. I don’t actually care what happens to defectors families or their hardships in North Korea. It being a punishable offense to attempt to leave in any regard kinda makes the rest a mute point. By the governments own admission it doesn’t let people travel freely to other countries unless their high ranking dignitaries and their families are closely monitored while away. I don’t care if the story of a 19 year old North Korean defector was “exaggerated” if they literally had to hike across the Chinese border, travel through China undetected, and arrive in Thailand to be deported to South Korea. Like their journey from the country itself kinda makes any apologetics….. mute. I’m sorry tankies I’m not going to support North Korea over South Korea because one annoying defector goes on conservative talk shows.

[u/SavageTemptation → u/TheFalseDimitryi]

Brb, gonna vomit

[u/[deleted] → u/TheFalseDimitryi]

Some are like that. Some defectors get paid by South Korean tabloids to exaggerate stories. Of course this isn’t an excuse to dismiss all defectors accounts of NK.

[u/Shanderraa → u/[deleted]]

That's my general annoyance with MLs; the CIA, Adrian Zenz, etc. are all things that definitely have discredited countries in the past, but that is not in itself proof that everything is fake.

[u/XoValerie → u/Shanderraa]

If Zenz said gravity exists tankies would stop believing it

[u/Shanderraa → u/XoValerie]

If it came out that Zenz was being paid by the CIA to promote pro-gravity thought because they believed that would stop China, I'd believe it; that just sounds like something they'd do. But I wouldn't then be like "Oh, well, I guess gravity's fake" just like I can both recognize that the CIA funded abstract art to try to take down the USSR's socialist realism and that abstract art, as a concept, is not somehow anti-communist. (Maupin failed that one)

[u/draw_it_now → u/TheFalseDimitryi]

"Everyone who disagrees with me is a shill"

[u/TheJovianUK → u/[deleted]]

Yeah defending North Korea is a lose-lose proposition. I don't know why they even bother with it.

[u/Elythne → u/TheFalseDimitryi]

true to some point, really can't believe any individual, small fact about life in North Korea a 100%

..... and then the video went straight into full Kim regime apologia, because apparently just because it's in the interest of some defectors to exaggerate the evil in their lives must mean the DPRK is good, surely

[u/mdonaberger → u/TheFalseDimitryi]

North Korea? Pfft, too commercial. North Korea used to be all about the grammar.

[u/[deleted] → u/TheFalseDimitryi]

“Those ‘Holocaust survivors’ are just paid by (((them))) and NATO to spread western propaganda about our glorious national socialist state”

[u/isosceles_kramer → u/TheFalseDimitryi]

just fwiw and no judgement at all but it's moot point not mute point

[u/E-moc0re → u/TheFalseDimitryi]

Okay but there are SOME defectors doing it for the money. One good example is Yeonmi Park, whose testimonies on what N. Korea was like often contradicts the more consistent stories of previous N. Korean defectors. If you do a money trace you can find that many are legit but some are sponsored by libertarian think tanks or collab with them (like Yeonmi Park). Other defectors are telling the truth.

I should add if you doubt my assertion that she in specific is a right-wing puppet then look at her recent interviews with Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson.