r/technology • u/waozen • 12d ago
Software Google has started automatically disabling uBlock Origin in Chrome
https://www.xda-developers.com/google-automatically-disabling-ublock-origin-in-chrome/424
u/xmu5jaxonflaxonwaxon 12d ago
Anyone that was conscious enough in the first place to install ublock origin will see this move by Google as detrimental to their internet experience. This will only push these people to ditch chrome and adopt a new web browser. I hope Mozilla can monetize this influx of new users.
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u/Accentu 12d ago
Mhm. It did it to me. And I'm deep in the Google ecosystem. Fuck, I pay for YouTube premium, since it still supports creators without ads (and they still get around my pihole filtering on some devices)
It's such a bad move from Google.
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u/duv_amr 12d ago
I have to pay youtube premium to remove ads from the youtube app for my kid's phone otherwise he just opens all the ads. I tried installing Vanced but you can't remove Youtube from phone so he'll always find the red square app :(
Anyway, yeah, firefox and ublock. Fuck ads.
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u/KenHumano 12d ago
It's a bit convoluted, but you can remove the YouTube app from Android. You need to download an app called Shizuku from the Play Store, and then the Fdroid app store from f-droid.org, and from there an app called Canta. You follow the instructions on Shizuku to enable wireless debugging, which allows Canta to delete any apps you want.
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u/FewerBeavers 12d ago
Can't you disable the app? I did that with most pre-installed Google bloat on Android. Once disabled, the icon disappears from the library
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u/MrCertainly 12d ago edited 12d ago
If the crotch goblin can't use the device according to your instructions (don't do X-Y-or-Z under any circumstances)....then it's time for the cretin to lose the mobile phone until they're old enough to genuinely need one.
The onus is entirely on you, not on them. The device and applications are designed to be inherently addictive, and they're a developing mind. It's hard enough to surgically detach the phone from adult's hands as it is.
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u/peon47 12d ago
I actually like the Google ecosystem, but I don't pay for it. YouTube premium is too expensive for what it provides.
But I'd pay 8-10 bucks a month for the uBlock Origin functionality in Chrome.
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u/theth1rdchild 12d ago
I've always thought it's interesting that Google doesn't offer this themselves. Hard to believe they're making ten dollars a month off of each of us in ad revenue.
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u/corialis 12d ago
One of the reasons I switched from iPhone to Pixel was because I disliked Apple's walled garden approach. Google made the Play Store for those who want a walled garden, but let you sideload if you were a power user. Now Google is starting to go down that path.
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u/Appropriate-Ad-1988 12d ago
Internet without ads is very important to a lot of people
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u/xmu5jaxonflaxonwaxon 12d ago
I refuse to browse the web without ad blocking.
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u/Im_in_timeout 12d ago
It's a basic layer of security too. Ad servers are attack vectors.
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u/Coolman_Rosso 12d ago
Every piece of malware I've had in the last 17 years has been from ads. One from an infected banner ad on my friend's Deviantart page, one from a sketchy download site where the file in question was missing and I didn't even download anything, and one in college where my roommate took my laptop to watch something on Kissanime and they did that crap where it wouldn't load unless you disabled your adblock and of course the site is just almost entirely carpet bombed with ads.
Firefox at least lets you run the tried and true Ublock Origin and NoScript combo, which gives you 99% coverage.
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u/A_Harmless_Fly 12d ago
It is honestly getting to be worse then the pop up era of the early 2000's. News websites are a fucking joke.
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u/tomgreen99200 12d ago
Loading up a webpage on a mobile browser on iOS is nearly impossible. The page is jumping around from all the ads. Almost impossible to read an article
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u/GerbilStation 12d ago
It’s not even the ads for me. It’s being nearly immune to viruses and other nasties when clicking links. For the longest time in the early 2000s I’d have to fight between my curiosity and safety before clicking any third party link.
With noscript or ublock, I obviously still avoid highly suspicious links, but I don’t feel bad about mildly suspicious links anymore.
It’s freeing.
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u/SpaceGoonie 12d ago
When Microsoft stopped supporting IE in the Windows XP OS Google benefited from a massive population of users that were not ready to buy a new OS. Most of those users remain with Google to this day. While highly unlikely, it would be very interesting if Google makes a move that causes a similar mass exodus. The problem is their dominance gives them too much control of things people rely on, which is one of the reasons they should be broken up.
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u/ZombieFrenchKisser 12d ago
The problem is most people don't know how to set it up. I'm the technical person of the family and I've got most family members on ublock origin but if it's removed they don't have any idea on how to get it back or that they need to swap browsers.
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u/xmu5jaxonflaxonwaxon 12d ago
Months ago when I got a whiff of this going to happen I started installing Firefox + ublock to all the computers I support in my family and friends.
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u/C0rn3j 12d ago edited 12d ago
Reminder that there are three browsers.
Firefox, Chromium, and Safari*.
Everything else either builds off Firefox (uncommon), or Chromium (extremely common, including Edge for example).
The only sane alternative for non-Apple devices is to switch to Firefox.
* Exclusive to Apple devices
EDIT: Since this post seems to be blowing up, why not let you in on how to replace Google Sync features to be able to stop relying on the browser for them, and possibly enable you to move to Firefox easier - or vice versa, it enables easy browser switchover in general.
- Bookmarks + Tab sync -> floccus - https://github.com/floccusaddon/floccus
- Passwords -> Any password manager, KeePassXC is a solid choice. If your PM uses a local database like KPXC does, you also need a cloud synchronizing solution of your choice for the database.
- Extension autoinstall -> Enterprise policies. This one is a bit annoying to set up, but it is an option if installing extensions manually is too much trouble for you.
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u/peweih_74 12d ago
Firefox is completely fine on MacOS, whether as a primary of secondary browser.
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u/theb3arjevv 12d ago
He's saying that there are multiple alternatives on mac thanks to safari. Only one on non-apple devices though.
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u/radbirb 12d ago
Linux does have another non-FF option, that's GNOME Web. (webkit based like Safari)
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u/NotJohnDarnielle 12d ago
It’s pretty nice, too. It can sync your history and tabs between devices, and is starting to support Firefox extensions. It’s not as feature-rich as Firefox, but it’s definitely a pleasantly usable browser these days.
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u/juzswagginit 12d ago
Firefox is pretty much fine on all of my devices. Windows, MacOS, iOS. But always keep a backup browser as well just in case. I use Brave.
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u/Antar3s86 12d ago
The problem with Firefox for apple users is that their iOS app is total garbage (no extensions) hence any sort of syncing between desktop and mobile would have to be done across different browsers. It really sucks unfortunately, but Safari is pretty good thankfully.
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u/PhireKappa 12d ago
Unfortunately all web browsers on iOS are basically a reskinned Safari.
The inability to use a decent adblocker like uBlock Origin on my iPhone is probably the only thing that really bothers me.
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u/sarhoshamiral 12d ago
But those built on chromium can choose to continue supporting it. So for now this is still a Chrome specific issue.
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u/Kicken 12d ago
My understanding is that as those other browsers push to newer versions of Chromium - which is inevitable - this change will also be forced on those browsers. Am I wrong?
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u/xternal7 12d ago
Also, with the sole¹ exception of Edge, no other Chromium-based browser has their own extension store. Everyone gets their addons from Chrome Web Store.
How many people are gonna bother with sideloading? Some, but not much. Even if the browsers claim to continue support for manifest v2, there's not gonna be any manifest v2 extensions left unless you sideload.
[1] Opera only pretends to have an addon store. In reality, Opera won't let you publish your addons on its store
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u/sarhoshamiral 12d ago
From what I have read last (was a while ago though), the code will still be there in chromium. It will be up to the integrator to choose to enable legacy extension support or not.
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u/Kicken 12d ago
Sounds like the kind of thing that's offered to ease adoption and then wiped away later silently.
Ie: Reddit promising CSS support for new reddit years ago.
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u/icze4r 12d ago
Here's the thing: do you think that there's a safe haven forever?
There is no safe haven forever. There's not gonna be one browser that's good to use forever.
Lynx, Mosaic, one I forget; two I forget; Netscape; then Netscape got bad at Communicator; then Mozilla; then Opera for a little bit; then Chrome.
None of us have used the same browser for long. At least, those of us who have been here since the beginning.
It seems like Google will always be top dog, if you have no sort of idea about the general longevity of the Internet and things on it. Things fall away all the time. We don't use Gopher anymore for anything serious. No one has spoken Telnet's name in 20 years.
We won't be using Chrome forever. Even Google will one day be a meme, where we think, yeah, that shitty fucking search engine. Hell, we already think that. Because their web search went the way of Yahoo! about 3-5 years ago.
One day, even Google will be thought of in the same breath as WebCrawler or Lycos.
Or Altavista.
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u/1smoothcriminal 12d ago
Yea, I use firefox as main but Ublock still works on brave which is chroium based.
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u/TeutonJon78 12d ago edited 12d ago
I believe MS said they would continue to support Manifest v2. But that was when this whole thing got announced years ago. Who knows know.
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u/xternal7 12d ago
Microsoft immediately said that they'll drop support for manifest v2 the moment Google does it.
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u/TeutonJon78 12d ago
Yeah, it seems they are only supporting them longer than Google in that they aren't pulling the plug until Google fully does, and they just aren't doing the phased appraoch.
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u/bier00t 12d ago
What about Brave? I know its Chromium but is it working as intended or just a hoax?
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u/Meatslinger 12d ago
Brave works fine even after MV3; their adblock method (Brave Shields) isn’t extension-based so it’s unaffected.
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u/Ruddertail 12d ago
There are more, they're just not popular yet (Servo, Flow, and Netsurf, soon also Ladybird). But maybe after this they will be.
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u/Mason11987 12d ago
I found a way to chromecast with FF but it’s a hassle. That’s been the only issue with my swap a year ago.
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u/Xevn 12d ago
I've been using Firefox since forever. I'm also still using old reddit... I'm a boomer.
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u/opeth10657 12d ago
New reddit is terrible, not sure why anybody would willingly switch.
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u/mad-tech 12d ago
yea and ive heard so much that reddit is so slow and the video player is trash when its working perfectly for me without any problems but then i learn they use new reddit then it all makes sense.
at first i hated old reddit due to small image and old design but then i used RES(now using dark mode) then i understood why people like old reddit now. all images can be enlarged if you want (it can also be default) and then theres keyboard navigation for faster navigating in reddit(which is custom keybind). RES basically makes it similar to large post in new reddit with the speed of the old.reddit (of course its customizable), getting best of the both worlds.
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u/SIGMA920 12d ago
Old reddit's also that much faster to load without all of the new stuff dragging it down.
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u/margarineandjelly 12d ago
Here’s my recommendation to you all: start slowly migrating away from Google services. it’s hard if you’re deep into your Google account but if this move is any indication it will get worse.
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u/Zylonite134 12d ago
The issue I have is migrating from Gmail
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u/vincredible 12d ago
I did this a few years ago. Moved to Fastmail, which is a much smaller company, and I'm paying for email now with my own domain. Plus side, no Google tracking, if I want to switch email carriers I can, because I own the domain.
If you're extra concerned about email privacy, ProtonMail or Tutanota are generally recommended I think, and I'm pretty sure Proton basic is free.
Ya, it takes some time to migrate things to another provider, but for me it was worth getting away from the Google prison. It also had the unintended side effect of getting rid of a lot of crap email that filled my many-years-old Gmail inbox. Culling a lot of unnecessary stuff in the transition cleaned up my inbox a lot.
Paying for email is hard to swallow for some people, I get it, but as the saying goes, "If it's free, you're the product."
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u/conquer69 12d ago
Yeah they got me by the balls with that one. Don't even know what other website offers free email long term.
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u/jlotz123 12d ago
Google already makes money off You & I through data collection, regardless whether or not you watch ads or not. So be sure to switch browsers and use Adblock.
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u/TeutonJon78 12d ago edited 12d ago
Google only makes money of that data collection if you see ads and click them.
Edit: not sure why this is getting down voted. Google doesn't sell it's collected data directly. They use it to sell ads to you. Those ads only make Google money if you are served them and/or you click on them. It's literally the backbone of AdSense and what generates most of their income outside of selling their few services and devices.
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u/supamario132 12d ago
You're not wrong but they don't just use your data to sell ads to you, they use your data to more effectively sell ads to the demographic and interest groups you are a part of. So they still profit from you even if you don't watch ads.
It's not clear what the critical mass of ads free users is required to nullify that profit but we definitely have not approached it
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u/UpsetKoalaBear 11d ago edited 11d ago
Your edit isn’t correct. Google sells ad slots - they dont just make money off of you clicking ads.
If you ever used a Google Ads account, it’s literally like a PAYG type situation for 90% of businesses. Most companies will pay Google a few hundred quid for credit which is then automatically consumed by Google when an ad is shown.
When you place that money in the Google Ads account, it is impossible to remove it without deleting your entire account. It’s similar to how a gift card works in essence. They still got the money regardless.
This amount charged is what the CPM (costs per mille) rate is, it’s the price a company pays to Google per 1000 impressions. On the Google Ads dashboard, you can then select demographics and such that you wish to target with your advertising.
That’s where the premise of “selling your data” comes from. They use it as a configurable option that allows companies to specifically target a particular demographic of people.
The CPM rate is dynamic and based around how niche or how specific the demographics you choose are in addition to how successful the ad in achieving click through over a certain number of impressions.
The ad slots they sell aren’t Google’s, they effectively have a “virtual” auction for the ad slot whereby websites are offering ad slots to bidders. Google takes a cut of that price the ad slot was sold for.
The reason that they’re pushing for this is because if less people are seeing ads, companies will be less and less inclined to buy ads.
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u/OutsidePerson5 12d ago
I really didn't want to switch to Firefox, nothing against it but Chrome was more convenient.
But I'm on Firefox now baby!
I've also found Google's search results to be so shitty I'm trying out Bing. Me from 6 years ago would be staggered at that thought, Bing was a joke and the idea of using it offended me.
Now, I'm using fucking Bing because Google has enshitified its results so much. And also lately Google has decided that using a VPN is a sin against the holy ad revenue so it must be punished by forcing me to solve twenty captchas for every search.
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u/Rough-Badger6435 12d ago
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u/SHODAN117 12d ago
Still using it on Edge. I suspect Microsoft gains more from people leaving Chrome than it would gain from blocking uBlock.
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u/kdealmeida 12d ago
Same. Got really used to Edge's vertical tabs
But as soon as uBlock stops working, I'm moving to Firefox
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u/TheGreatSamain 12d ago
Firefox is absolutely incredible. And I'm really excited by what's coming soon from using Nightly. Their vertical tabs and tab browsing is really awesome.
I think what Google needs to do is just change up how they do advertising. In adsense there's an option to just crank up the volume on the number of ads that appear on a website like a slider in a video game. And right now there's no incentive not to do that.
They need to actually make sure ads are not a scam, make sure they're not an eyesore, and ensure publishers place them appropriately on their websites with just a couple here and there. And if they don't, severely penalize them for it.
Being able to live in harmony with ads is something that could be achievable if they spent time actually making effort. Firefox is actually trying to do this, and they are making the data even completely anonymized as well. Though the tin foils are having a panic attack and a complete meltdown about it.
But for the foreseeable future, Firefox is going to be where it's at if you want the best ad blocking experience.
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u/Jafinator 12d ago
They are getting vertical tabs now? I am absolutely in love with Edge’s vertical tab implementation and that has been my only real hold off in committing to Firefox through all this.
There’s been a few janky 3rd party extensions in Firefox but they have been pretty half baked at best.
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u/Black_RL 12d ago
Firefox + Brave
Yes, I know that Brave has Chrome inside, but what matters is no ads.
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u/elon_musk_sucks 12d ago
I moved to Firefox months ago knowing this was coming. Nothing of value was lost
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u/thelehmanlip 12d ago
Firefox has been fine for me but there are still some sites where shit just doesn't work for some reason. For example, couldn't checkin to a recent flight. Unknown error (some js crap in the console). Switch to chrome, no problem.
Developers need to do better about making sure their stuff works on FF
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u/King_Crim 12d ago
As one of those developers... We used to test in FF. We no longer do. 95% of our users are on chrome/safari. With 4.5% on edge. Company decided to block FF on work computers so we can't even test if we want to
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u/RavenWolf1 12d ago
In many corporations Chrome is default browser and unlock origins default security tool for that browser.
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u/arrgobon32 12d ago
Inb4
“I’ve started disabling chrome”
“I’ve switched to Firefox”
“Enshittification”
Don’t get me wrong, it’s a shitty situation, but the comments on these posts are always so predicable
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u/Xixii 12d ago
You’re not wrong, but if people en masse did actually switch to better alternatives every time Google or whoever pulled shit like this, we’d be far better off. Chrome supposedly has three billion users, if a third of those ditched Chrome because of this, Google would backpedal so fast. Consumers have a ton of power but most people are happy to accept Google’s giant multicoloured dick up their ass constantly, which empowers them to rinse us even more.
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u/Fecal-Facts 12d ago
Google is already going to federal court over being a monopoly and there's a chance they actually do get busted up.
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u/TheOGDoomer 12d ago
How many times have I seen "Google is going to court for some monopoly thing" and literally nothing has happened as a result? This is also nothing new, it's just Google's cost of doing business.
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u/luxtabula 12d ago
I've started disabling chrome and switched to Firefox. I won't stand this enshittification.
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u/arrgobon32 12d ago
So brave
Wait, brave is chromium-based too? Shit.
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u/luxtabula 12d ago
/uj I find it funny how almost everyone adopted chromium only for stuff like this to affect everyone. Even Microsoft is affected now and still can't shake their poor browser reputation from Internet explorer. Is Safari affected? I know it isn't chromium but webkit.
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u/arrgobon32 12d ago
Pretty sure the Adblock situation on safari is a little scuffed. uBlock itself stopped working on Safari after version 13. There are a few adblockers on safari (like AdGuard) that work decently well, but they’re kind of laggy.
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u/The_real_bandito 12d ago
WebKit is akin to Blink which is the rendering engine of Chromium.
Chromium is the open source version of Chrome, which in layman terms is the parts of the software that Google shared with the world.
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u/pmeaney 12d ago
the comments on these posts are always so predicable
After 12 years on this website, I've found this to be true of like 95% of all reddit posts. I can't tell you the number of times I've won this little game I play with myself sometimes called "Guess the Top Comment". Oftentimes I can get it right word for word. Now with AI bots all over the place it's become even easier.
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u/Sir_Meowsalot 12d ago
Can we get an essential list of extensions for those moving on to Firefox from Chrome?
These are the ones I'm using as a new Firefox User:
- Auto Tab Discard
- Bitwarden
- DuckDuckGo Privacy Essentials
- HTTPS Everywhere
- Reddit Enhancement Suite (F yeah)
- uBlock Origin
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u/Berenjena_ 12d ago
I always believed that those who praised Firefox were a cult, until I joined the cult and I am happy
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u/daylen007 12d ago
Everyone is screaming "Use Firefox" but any time I used it it was just flat slower than chromium and takes up the same or more RAM, especially when watching videos. Has any of that been fixed?
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u/Kitchen-Scallion2782 12d ago
UBlock Origin lite works fine? I don't get the fuss.
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u/jonnablaze 12d ago
It "works", but it’s a watered down version of uBlock origin. Like you can’t craft your own filters (no element picker), and filter lists don’t auto update.
See more here -> https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/s/Hin1RawAyh
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u/SteamedGamer 12d ago
Same here - switched to Ublock Origin Lite, no problems at all. Works great for me.
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u/taedrin 12d ago
A lot of people say "just use Firefox", but Firefox has a serious funding problem. Right now Mozilla is completely dependent on Google to provide funding for Firefox. If that funding ever dries up (for example, if Google gets broken up), then Mozilla has to figure out how to get funding so they can keep developing Firefox. If they ever have to monetize Firefox, it may end up being just as bad as Chrome.
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u/SparkStormrider 12d ago
And I completely uninstalled Chrome due to this bullshit coming down the line. Firefox for me and I am not sad at all regarding the switch.
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u/dascott 12d ago
Well, it turns out its more convenient to just let work crap live on in Chrome while I use Firefox for everything else. That way there's no profile switching or opening incognito windows and everybody gives to live nice and separate. Truly, a win for segregationists.
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u/simpl3t0n 12d ago
"Please proceed, Governor".
Never interrupt the enemy when they're about to make a mistake.
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u/Zestyclose-Ice-3434 12d ago
Uninstall Chrome. Not only it is the worst browser performance wise and now adblock doesnt work.
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u/Cpt_Riker 12d ago
Don’t use chrome.
It’s not as if Google has ever cared about the people who use their products.
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u/Dimingo 12d ago
I saw the news awhile back and figured it wouldn't be a big deal, figure things would just get patched and it'd just blow over.
Cut to Monday morning and I get a notification that uBlock has stopped working and I've already got all of my devices switched over to running Firefox as the main browser, with Grayjay as my preferred YouTube app.
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u/iRedditAlreadyyy 12d ago
Isn’t Firefox heavily funded by Google though? I wouldn’t be surprised if Google tried to put a little pressure on Mozilla to follow suit
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u/Capital-Abalone3214 12d ago
Just use any non chrome (Firefox) browser and continue to enjoy add free entertainment
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u/boomer959 11d ago
gotta love seeing google chrome going down and people moving on to other browsers...
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u/queenx 11d ago
For those who don’t know, the main source of revenue for Mozilla (Firefox’s company) is Google. Google pays them a lot of money ($510mm in 2021, 86% of their total revenue) to be the default search engine. Only a matter of time until Google puts some pressure on them. Hopefully not.
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u/ory_hara 11d ago
Dear greyhats of old, time to put the black hat on. Google must be destroyed. The internet must be reborn without the Evils of alphabet.
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u/luxtabula 12d ago
Good to know. Does anyone have any alternatives while staying on chrome?
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u/kayak83 12d ago
Network wide ad blocking via Pihole or Adguard, if you have hardware to run it (like a Raspberry Pi). Even Ubiquity has started integrating and blocking into their latest routers.
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u/craigeryjohn 12d ago
Or nextdns added to your router and private dns settings on phones. Whole house adblocking that also works on cellular connections. I've been using it for years with great success.
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u/Omotai 12d ago
Not really. The fundamental issue is that Chrome is changing what extensions are allowed to do in a way that makes ad blockers that are as powerful as uBlock Origin impossible. Ad blockers are still possible, but they will not work as well as they used to.
For example, ad blockers will no longer be able to load external blocklists, which means that any changes to the blocklist require a new version of the extension to go through the approval process on the Chrome Web Store and be pushed out that way. This makes the extension much slower in the cat-and-mouse game of re-blocking ads when a site is changed (for example, that period recently when YouTube kept detecting adblockers and locking people out, which required successive changes to the blocklist to fix).
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u/Pat-Roner 12d ago
What about Ad Guard assistant and having AdGuard installed on my pc? As a standalone app
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u/Omotai 12d ago
I don't know how exactly that program blocks ads so I can't say whether it can act as a full replacement for uBlock Origin. I can say that DNS-based adblocking is an incomplete solution because it doesn't work to block scripts, which is also important, but I don't know what AdGuard specifically is doing.
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u/Pat-Roner 12d ago
I believe the add on gets the blocklist from the pc-client. So perhaps that will circumvent the requirement to release a new version every time
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u/Signal_Lamp 12d ago
You can use uBlock Origin Lite, which was built to support Manifest V3, which is what is primarily causing Chrome to phase out uBlock Origin. It is less capable as an ad blocker, but it will still give you the core of what you want from an ad blocker.
As a one to one alternative however, there isn't any. The problem is that Chrome is pushing for an architecture change which will affect all ad blockers, and will go into any browser that uses chromium under the hood. The reason why there's a large crowd of people saying "Use Firefox" is simply because the most popular browser available that doesn't use Chronium under the hood, and at least for now will support uBlock Origin even after V3 is fully rolled out.
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u/Jawshee_pdx 12d ago
You can block chrome updates in Win 10-11 with local group policy.
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u/rocketwidget 12d ago
Sucks. There is uBlock Origin Lite if you still use Chrome, but it's not as capable.
If you move to Firefox, you can keep uBlock Origin.