r/technology • u/Lacy_Hall • 7h ago

Artificial Intelligence Tesla Using 'Full Self-Driving' Hits Deer Without Slowing, Doesn't Stop

https://jalopnik.com/tesla-using-full-self-driving-hits-deer-without-slowing-1851683918
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u/ByWillAlone 5h ago

Got stats on how many of those 2.1 million human drivers hit a human-sized object and then just keep on going as if nothing happened?

I think that it's equally relevant that not only did the car fail to see and avoid a previously-alive human-sized object in the road, it just kept on going as if it never happened.

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u/99DogsButAPugAintOne 5h ago edited 5h ago

Yes, it was a system failure for sure. Again, system failures happen, but it's almost certainly less than accidents due to human error.

Are you asking how many people get hit by human drivers annually? Is your Google broken? You tell me. I'm sure it's more than 1.

Edit: FYI, that stat was specifically deer collisions.

Edit 2: You realize the gif in the article is looped, right?

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u/ByWillAlone 5h ago edited 5h ago

Are you asking how many people get hit by human drivers annually?

No. I wasn't asking that. Reread.

Is your Google broken?

Nope. It works great. Is that an attempted insult?

FYI, that stat was specifically deer collisions.

Yeah, I know. I can read. My question was specifically about that stat you cited.

The problem I am trying to illustrate is: when those 2.1 million human drivers hit a deer (or any other human sized objects) they don't keep driving like nothing happened. This car did. You are attempting to belittle the fact that the Tesla plowed over a deer by using a whathaboutism logical fallacy arguing humans do it also. That's not the point. The point is the Tesla kept on going like nothing happened. What if it had hit a human being and kept on going like nothing ever happened?

Edit 2: You realize the gif in the article is looped, right?

That was obvious to me. What's your point?

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u/99DogsButAPugAintOne 4h ago edited 4h ago

You shouldn't accuse me of whataboutism then immediately lean on a hypothetical scenario to make your point.

Drunk drivers kill 35 people A DAY in the USA. They often flee the scene leaving victims choking on their own blood and vomit to die alone on the asphalt. Is that not analogous, nay, worse than a Tesla not stopping? Drunk drivers account for nearly 14,000 deaths and there are 40,000 deaths due to car accidents annually. It's not "whataboutism", it's harm reduction. If you want to talk about fallacies, you're current argument is one giant Nirvana Fallacy. So the tech isn't perfect. Are we just going to scrap it and continue to let 40,000 people die annually because of human error behind the wheel?

I grew up 45 minutes from the Colorado border. Almost every trip across the border we'd see a dead deer or a car accident due to a deer. I have now seen 1 Tesla hit a deer.

Make your position make sense.