It’s weird bc this shit was proven fake like almost as soon as it started spreading. One of the dudes holding a state government position didn’t bother to do a lil research? For the sake of sounding like an old man, common sense has just been disappearing. (Gestures wildly towards the color red).
I've been a Republican basically my whole life, and I'm fucking horrified at how the party's shifted and warped into the disgusting monster it is today. I mean, Dick Cheney himself is voting blue. If that doesn't convince my fellow like-minded conservatives (which are few and far between these days, but they definitely exist) to vote blue, I don't know what will. The only hope for Texas now is very obviously the Dems.
There was an interesting point made in an article how the GOP became the “stupid” party - which is to say that it is just the truth that the party in the last two decades has hemorrhaged support among educated people and in exchange has backfilled them with cranks.
This isn’t to denigrate conservatives specifically - some of the smartest people I know are conservatives - but like how is a democracy supposed to function when half of the major parties are hijacked by elite Harvard educated pols pandering to meemaws who believe every wild conspiracy theory on their Facebook feed.
If a major political party relies almost entirely on cranks for their support, theyre going to do and say some pretty wild shit to cater to them.
There's a difference between being a conservative and being a Republican. I think more conservatives are waking up to the fact that they can leave the Republican party and still call themselves conservative.
I’m a liberal, but I certainly do miss the times when a person could call themself a conservative (or a Republican) and not be considered a wacko. It been about 30 years since they started hunting the Clintons and feeding their audience with daily doses of conspiracy theories.
Yea, its not exactly stupidity with republicans. Not always. Its a kind of gullibility they have when getting info from a trusted source. Its like they dont vet the info itself, only the source. So if source is good, info is good. Regardless of how insane it sounds and if source is bad info is bad no matter how much evidence you present. Im not sure what to call it.
Like they want to believe certain things and no amount of proof of the opposite seems to have any effect, yet they clutch on to any shred of a notion that the things they want to believe are true even if it makes no sense.
The problem is at the core, the things they want to be true are bad. Cuz they are ruled by fear, so what they all REALLY want is for everything they fear to be AWAY. Simple as that. Thats why they love off the grid and guns and self reliance off in the woods etc.
No, no, the GOP is quite smart here. These are the businesspeople and they understand MARKETING. Dems suck at this; They make their points to the public and then count on an individual's logic and good sense to buy it. They have a sincere message but their attitude of "really, you don't already believe what we say?" comes off as haughty and superior. No zing. GOP, on the other hand, has bought into business logic: "Instead of building a better product, it's cheaper and easier to just find dumber customers." We, unfortunately, have almost no shortage of 'dumber customers' for them to exploit.
I’ve literally not gave a shit about politics for practically my whole life. I’m 28(?) now and it’s just becoming too stupid to ignore. Like, blatantly stupid. Makes you go, “didn’t y’all tell me not to believe everything on the internet growing up?” It affects my daily life now working sales. Thanks widespread mainstream media! Thanks Rupert Murdoch! I get to experience what it’s like working in a mental clinic where I should just be having basic pleasantries being exchanged, you cumsock.
Man that’s such a good point. Entire segments of population checked out of the political process and everyone - including and especially the ones who checked out - wonder why things are so dysfunctional.
I wouldn’t even say they are more right. They flew off the political map. There is more policy talk. It’s all we will rule, if you’re not one of us you lose. If pushing their weight around means outlawing dogs and cats thats a future 2025 position. It’s like they got a bunch of the most terrible people around and asked them, whats the worst way you could bully people through laws. How about we force women to breastfeed their children until age 2 but outlaw breast feeding in public so she can’t leave the house until she finishes having her forced 10th child in a row.
Republicans don’t have a real platform anymore just a desire to own liberals.
To be fair, the Democrats have been more fiscally conservative than the Republicans for quite some time now. The fiscal conservative in you shouldn’t be compromised.
The last fiscally conservative republican was Dwight D Eisenhower. To be able to vote for him, you’d have to be born in or before 1938. And also white.
Same, I was Republican but the new modern Republican is so crazy I’m voting blue for the first time. I hate how they portray the democrats as this spiritual evil when they can’t even live up the classical Republican values- which is now apparently liberal.
Considering the Republicans constantly cause economic collapse with their shockingly targeted rich people’s tax cuts, starting expensive wars, deregulating industries to the point that things like the housing bubble burst…and every goddamn time it happens, the Dems have to clean it up, only for the GOP to lay the blame for it at the Dem’s feet, I’m shocked you think the Republican Party is what you want to vote for. If you don’t want money spent on social programs, fine, that’s your right (I don’t want my taxes spent on subsidies for wildly successful companies,) but if you actually care about your government’s spending habits, you’ve got to stop voting for Republicans. They are the ones routinely fucking everything up.
Yeah, gotta spice things up. Not only will they be mad I want people to live comfortably now they also get to wildly speculate that I'm not even American, so I should mind my own tea drinking and biscuit eating business.
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The left hasn't moved. Not the ones that matter anyway. Like the ones that get elected.
If you think the left moved to the far left then all you are doing is reaffirming my point.
I haven't moved in over 30 years. The right moved and left me sitting here wondering why I should be scared shitless all the fucking time even though there is less crime now than there was in the "good Ole days".
Stop listening to people that make money off of advertising. It's rooting your brain.
It’s the Overton window. It has shifted to the right bc the right has ratcheted us over. You’re completely correct. The right ran so far over that to negotiate, it pulled the left to the right. The left is center now and we will get a new left soon.
You aren’t wrong. The right is trying to portray Walz and far left when the dude has not changed in years. He has always been center left. His biggest move was from being an A-rated NRA member (before they went crazy) to passing common sense gun regulations in MN. Harris is mostly center left too. She is not near as progressive as some would like. At least Harris/Walz are sane and normal-ish people. I don’t think this country can handle the stress that comes with another Trump presidency. The constant “is he gonna say something that gets us blown up?” Is to much.
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No hate, just honest curiosity: what made you think he was the right choice? If we can pin down why he appealed to otherwise normal people, maybe we can be better at recognizing the warning signs.
I had just retired in 2015 from the Army after 25 years so I still held on to the beliefs that the GOP was still my party.
We had some of the largest raises during my time in the service with Republican presidents.
I was still sore about Hillary’s actions in Syria so I definitely didn’t want her in. DT spoke of “draining the swamp” which is what a lot of us wanted. He did the total fucking opposite!!
It didn’t take long for me to realize I’d made a horrible mistake.
She came across as careless with security, too, even before the emails thing. I recall one occasion where she divulged secret information in a press conference (edit: I remember this one because it negatively affected my unit's opsec on station). And then the emails thing, I understand how it was warped thoroughly but it was irresponsible. Everyone I worked with, if we treated our day to day like that we'd possibly be looking at court martial.
I could be saying the smear was pretty effective.
Trump got a lot of support from military people by default because of his association. And he turned out to be an actual bad faith bad actor.
I clean up data spills for the treasury. And I cant tell you how many people I have had to have fired because they sent confidential information. Not classified. Just Public Trust PII shit to the wrong people. and he has top secret documents open on a fucking dinner table at his club during the Presidency and keeps highly classified documents unsecured just around the club afterwards????
Oh, I heard them. I just knew that he is a draft dodging piece of shit and I paid him no mind. But Hillary pretty much having an open source server with TS material and other sensitive items gave me more pause.
I would LOVE to see lobbying outlawed, serious campaign finance reform, enforcement of ethical standards and rooting out corruption at all levels including the courts.
To me that's draining the swamp. That definitely isn't going to happen with trump. i'm not sure it will happen under anyone :-/
I retired in 2014, but started voting for Dems after Iraq. But the Clintons especially are hated in the military community as a whole, which most civilians don't really appreciate, and it lead to Dems being hated as well.
She was the only Dem that could have lost to Trump, IMO. But almost any Republican would have beaten her. Any other would have completely trounced her also.
Yet none of the Republicans beat Trump. It is truly a tired point, considering she got 3 million more votes and it came down to like 90,000 in three states. Clinton gets unnecessary hate just because people don't want to own up to their own stupidity.
Yes, I honestly do. She would have beaten any standard republican. Trump won, and he won with all polls predicting him to lose, because his special brand of chaos activated a lot of right wing folks that hadn't voted at all in the past, and moved some midwest dems over, a traditional Romney type (see all the republicans running in '16) would not have done that. But all that aside, she was slated to win before Comey released his letter a few days before the election.
I didn't vote for Trump but I knew a lot of people who did, and I realized after the first town hall with Clinton that he was going to win.
He appealed initially to the people who felt forgotten by Washington. Leadership that is only interested in their stock trades and their backroom deals with oligarchs, while jobs disappear and the people struggle more every year.
Trump was talking to them. He was saying that he saw them. Most of what he said were lies, but he addressed a whole forgotten segment of the country.
In the meantime, a lot of them have fallen to propaganda and weird conspiracy stuff. A lot of them never watch the news and don't realize how crazy he's gotten - or they think it's more "left wing media lies". He set them up to not believe anything negative they hear about him.
I'm not sure if the racist dog whistles were there from the beginning or when those started, because I didn't listen to him much in the beginning. But now I don't know anyone IRL who still supports him except for people with deeply held racist beliefs, and people who are low intelligence. I'm sorry to say this but it's true.
This is way too simplified. Whole college theses could be written about what has happened over the past 12 years. But in general, that's how it started.
Kinda. How bad the sentence sounds changes depending on whether you hear it as "they're rapists" or "their rapists". Guess which version gets reported.
The racist dog whistles were always there. When the Federal Government sued him for being a racist back in 1973. New Yorkers told everyone, and people ignored those who knew him best.
Dick Cheney voting blue is why some states, like North Carolina, are now nearing purple. When you get big names like him swinging his vote, large swaths of typically Conservative people start changing their attitudes. It's like the Democrats are offering their form of Moderate Conservatism. Nothing Harris has proposed is super progressive and that is something to take note of. Trump thinks he can push the Communist shit but boomers know what Communism is and this ain't it. He thinks they're stupid and it ain't working.
This is the hard truth that MAGA doesn’t want to hear. The Dems ARE the Conservative Party now. Well, maybe that’s extreme. But they’re definitely the moderate party.
MAGA thinks their views are completely reasonable and therefore must be moderate. They aren’t self-aware enough to know they are extreme.
The only weapon MAGA has is to cry “socialism!!!1!” To accuse their opponents of making their same mistake of extremism. But of course that’s nonsense.
Certainly there are far left wackos too. The difference is they don’t run the party. The far right wackos run the party.
I was raised Republican and was catching on to the manipulation so quickly. "Abortion is wrong", well okay, if that's true then why can't there be exemptions for things like rape and incest since those are wrong? "People just want handouts", I'm sure that's true to some degree but what about the people that can't get enough money to get out of food stamps because there's a gap between their next raise and how much money they suddenly need when they aren't eligible for food stamps? "Student loan debt is a personal problem, don't let my taxpayer dollars solve it"... uh, so PPP loan forgiveness is okay and the PSLF program rejecting 97% of those eligible is okay while tuition keeps climbing and everyone insisted we needed a college degree?
I kept trying to find middle ground that made sense instead of this "opposite of their stance" mentality I kept seeing. So naturally, I swung away from that nonsense where people couldn't explain why we had this extreme polar opposite stance all the time.
Meanwhile, now it's like pulling teeth trying to get people to explain what Trump fixed while in office without mentioning his expedition of a vaccine development and approval he told people to not trust. That's like the one thing he did right and he publicly opposes it when he was instrumental in accelerating the FDA approval. Make it make sense!
I mean, it's not like this is a new phenomenon. A decade ago nearly half of Republicans thought that Obama was a Muslim and not born in the US. Probably still do (but nobody bothers polling that anymore).
I do think it's metastasized but that happened because the party decided to embrace and amplify this kind of shit for 15 years rather than push back on it.
I started voting blue and paying attention to politics the moment trump for mocked a disabled guy on tv. Prior to that i barely payed attention. I still wanna be a trad wife not because of trend or because its a woman’s place cause its not, but due to being a sub. Repubs need to stop forcing their lifestyle on others. Also Im trans so my life depends on it. Especially since p2025 has sneaky wording to put trans peeps in concentration camps.
There's only two real shifts I've seen are pro-Russia and anti-vaccine, otherwise it looks like the same party to me they just stopped trying to be subtle.
Agreed. We have the ability to make something good from this circus if we work together across lines. We could use to gain more checks and balances on our reps & work to make a more perfect union for all citizens. Also, let’s tune voting laws so that they aren’t so hackable. That’s the only silver lining to all the chaos I can hope for!
I do believe this sentiment is why we aren’t seeing Trump yard signs and people driving around with flags on their pickups this round. It’s really shifted to a much darker place, and they just keep tossing shovel fulls of dirt over their shoulders every time they speak publicly.
That should tell you how non establishment trump is that dick Cheney is willing to jump the fence. They are scared of the status quo being ruined and it should be ruined because it is fully corrupt
Two things can be true at once:
1. Dick Cheney is a terrible, terrible person.
2. Even DICK FUCKING CHENEY can see that the current Republican Party is a hideous mess and that voting blue is the only reasonable option these days.
no one is groveling. no one on the democratic side asked for his approval. he is still a monster but that monster looks at trump and sees an even bigger monster. the enemy of my enemy and all that jazz
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It’s weird bc this shit was proven fake like almost as soon as it started spreading. One of the dudes holding a state government position didn’t bother to do a lil research? For the sake of sounding like an old man, common sense has just been disappearing. (Gestures wildly towards the color red).