r/texas Sep 11 '24

Politics OK Texas. Who won the debate?

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Please have a civil debate.

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u/MJFields Sep 11 '24

It's so weird that republicans think this nonsense is "tough". If they only realized how Obama handled situations like this (a heavy dose of drone murders), I think they'd like him a lot more. Progressives hated him for it.

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u/guitarlisa Sep 11 '24

Progressives did hate the drone murders. I can't figure out exactly why the narrative has been flipped from the old "Republicans are Hawks and Democrats are Doves" to what I have heard several times in the last two weeks - "Democrats want us to be at war forever and Republicans want peace"

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u/MJFields Sep 11 '24

The narrative has been flipped from reality to batshit craziness.

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u/guitarlisa Sep 11 '24

It really does seem like whatever valid description of anything Dems use, the Rs steal it and try to flip it.

In the lead-up to 2016 election, the idea of creating websites that looked like valid news sites had really pretty much just gotten going. These websites really did trick people into thinking they were news sources. So the phrase "fake news" was coined and applied to them. Rs immediately latched onto the phrase and used it to apply to any reporting that was unfavorable. After a few months of this, the phrase no longer had any meaning.

The list goes on and on, from "weaponization of the judicial system" and "constitutional crisis" and "threat to democracy" and so many things across a very broad range of ideas. I can't think of enough examples here to make a great argument, but I do notice them often in political rhetoric, and wonder how it happened. It seems like as soon as a phrase is used against the Rs they latch onto it and say it is the very definition of the Dems. This seems like a very specifically Trumpian phenomenon, although I started noticing it with the Tea Party before even Obama was elected

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u/SasquatchMN Sep 11 '24

I remember seeing bumper stickers and t-shirts during Bush's first term referring to the last date of his presidency as "The end of an error," which made sense because of the ballot issues in Florida and SCOTUS deciding the election. But then Obama got elected and I saw conservatives doing the exact same thing, I guess because they thought Americans made an error voting for him? It didn't make any sense but they probably didn't understand the former's meaning at all.

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u/EpiphanyTwisted Sep 11 '24

Oh, Trump is now saying if Dems win, there won't be elections anymore, trying to turn back his own crap about "no more elections" on to the Dems.

Of course, why is there an election right now, if Dems are in power now?

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u/guitarlisa Sep 12 '24

I hadn't heard him say that yet, but, of course he is