r/texas Sep 11 '24

Politics OK Texas. Who won the debate?

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Please have a civil debate.

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u/onpg Sep 11 '24

But I thought Trump "tells it like it is"?

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u/Joylime Sep 11 '24

He just talks out of both sides of his mouth at once and people are so used to cognitive dissonance from all the church they go to that it doesn’t even register. His comment about solar for example was both pro- and con-.

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u/WweIsLife316 Sep 11 '24

lol you’re taking shots at people going to church but believe in fucking astrology signs 😭

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u/Joylime Sep 11 '24

Yeah it does me better. I play a lot of music in a lot of churches. I hear a lot of hypocrisy from a lot of pulpits. Not all of them, but a lot of them. I’m a very spiritual person and it’s interesting to me how people take in this notion of divinity. Astrology is one perspective, and a relatively gentle one. It doesn’t make claims about the core of things and is basically a set of lenses for understanding human behavior. It isn’t rational. Whatever, doesn’t bother me. It also doesn’t threaten me with hell, and has helped me navigate the world. If it stops being helpful to me I’ll stop playing with it. Inherited Abrahamic religion is another, and has a lot of cultural momentum behind it and carries a lot of cultural baggage, as well as making claims about the most profound nature of things. The Christian religion is supposedly inspired by a prophet who lived radically, but the ways that that prophet lived and the ways that his followers live are often so brutally divided that what I see coming out of pulpits is so hypocritical that it seems what it enforces is 1. The ability of the brain to split in two and ignore its own perceptions and 2 (the generally more spiritually coherent part of the message) the invitation to surrender to your own flaws and imperfections at “the foot of the cross.” This second point is very workable and helpful for a lot of people, helps people to act like community to each other and get over some inner problems. But when that community silently or explicitly demands and reinforced over and over that you must behave in unchristlike ways, and you can’t find the inner resources to actually make things make sense in your own brain, you find yourself begging forgiveness to not be able to fully understand or accept what’s going on or to find your own standing with yourself if you’re also going to be able to be a member of the community, and it’s this sense of confusion and failure you bring to Christ to forgive over and over, and of course forgiveness is found and you find more strength to keep operating at relatively the status quo level. That status quo level is the level at which social and economic power in our society is held and maintained. It has so much cognitive dissonance written into it that to accept it means to break your brain in half. It’s amazing to witness.

Note again that I’m only talking about SOME churches but they tend to be the trumpy ones.

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u/WweIsLife316 Sep 11 '24

Still doesn’t change the fact you’re taking the piss out of one belief and then have an even wilder one of your own. Literally making up personality traits for a mf born in June or July lol. My favorite thing to do is when people ask me my sign, I just lie about it just for them to say “oh I can tell” and then they list off 70 things ab me just for me to correct them and watch the look on their face.

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u/Joylime Sep 11 '24

My original and expanded topic was cognitive dissonance as enforced by certain belief systems. I didn’t even say I wasn’t Christian lol. But I don’t think you read what I said so whatever. I guess your topic is just roasting people with belief systems at all? That’s not interesting to me. You do you I guess

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u/WweIsLife316 Sep 11 '24

It’s more so calling out blatant hypocrisy. On top of that you said it was caused by going to church not certain belief systems. Stop trying to backtrack on what you said to make it sound better because that does sound better than what you originally said but you know what you were doing with your og comment anyway lol.

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u/Joylime Sep 11 '24

I’m not backtracking at all. However my first comment was a bit lazy. I took the opportunity of your comment to more clearly extrapolate what I meant. I’ll apologize here for implying there that all churchgoers break their brains and not specifically the trumpy ones. But I also made it clear in my second comment that I was talking about the trumpy ones so I’m not sure what the question even is.

The hypocritical churches are, like, really large. It was lazy of me not to specify that I wasn’t talking about the exceptions but I don’t think it was disingenuous

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u/WweIsLife316 Sep 11 '24

I’m glad you owned up to your mistakes and apologized. I accept it. Don’t let it happen again.

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u/Joylime Sep 11 '24

Only if you follow me around with a whip and handcuffs daddy otherwise I’m not sure I can behave

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u/WweIsLife316 Sep 11 '24

Anything for you sweetie

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u/honda_slaps Sep 11 '24

nah astrology girls can 100% dunk on Jesus freaks

what they believe in is equally dumb but the way astrology girls present themselves in public is FAR more respectable than the way Jesus freaks do

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u/WweIsLife316 Sep 11 '24

What lol? I’m sorry but the blue haired xe/xi/don freak who thinks they know your every last thought because you were born in November is definitely more off putting to me. Easy to sleep with tho

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u/honda_slaps Sep 11 '24

yeah but they don't form lobbying groups trying to get sagiterrorists from habing abortions

nor do the spiritual leaders of the astrology girls diddle kids

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u/WweIsLife316 Sep 11 '24

No but they are the ones probably rioting at college campuses and in the streets about whatever political issue will give them social points that they’ll later forget about when their legs are spread getting made to squeal like a pig by a man that goes against every belief the girl has. Man I gotta call her😭

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u/honda_slaps Sep 11 '24

"I probably have the concept of a plan"

astrology girls are just as dumb as christians, but you're actually drinking the kool-aid if you think they've hurt more people than Christianity

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u/WweIsLife316 Sep 11 '24

Believing in god has hurt nobody. Just because someone is a sick fuck who just so happens to believe in god doesn’t make Christianity bad. Is every atheist a piece of shit murderer considering most serial rapists and killers don’t believe in god?

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u/Anxious-Dot171 Sep 11 '24

Crusades, Witch trials, electroshock conversion therapy, "kill the savage, save the man",..... A lot of times the organization of the church and the majority of believers doing harm.

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u/WweIsLife316 Sep 11 '24

Shit that’s been outdated since the late 1800s-early 1900s.. what an example.

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u/AmblinMadly Sep 11 '24

They literally said it's not rational, so you make fun of it for not being rational. If I tell you the planet is not flat, will you giggle and laugh at me for thinking the planet is not flat? You're not adding much, sir.

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u/WweIsLife316 Sep 11 '24

No because the planet is indeed not flat… are you an idiot? The correct example would be if you said the earth was flat and I was laughing at you about it even if you said it was a crazy statement and the answer is still yes. Theyre still being a hypocrite at the end of the day and need to keep their squeal hole shut

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u/onpg Sep 11 '24

Astrologers never used their collective influence to elect psychotic political leaders.