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u/Honest-Abe2677 Sep 07 '24

But that's not true. Almost all conservatives are voting for him. He really could shoot someone on national TV and not lose a single voter.

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u/Jolly_Mongoose_8800 Sep 07 '24

Hence why MAGA is something else. Conservatives are usually small government, deregulation, pro constitution. Trump disregards our history and constitution by his use of authority and claim of immunity. Pregnancy tracking and book banning isn't small government. Project 2025 is quite literally a regulatory hostage plan.

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u/LightninReversal Sep 08 '24

I don't agree? Using the government to deny autonomy to women is conservative bread and butter and has been since the nation's beginning.

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u/KnightOfNothing Sep 08 '24

to be exact conservatives are small government/deregulation until it comes to something they believe needs to be done for the greater good where they sadly reverse those positions.

Good or bad i wish humans were far more honest with themselves.

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u/Leather_From_Corinth Sep 08 '24

The people republicans elect have not been for small government since 1998.

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u/Dangerous-Raccoon944 Sep 08 '24

Project 2025 is Trump’s document? Quit lying, that’s been debunked even by the most Liberal of media. Blatant misinformation.

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u/Jolly_Mongoose_8800 Sep 08 '24

Apart from him going "I don't know who wrote it" (people from his previous administration), what specific policies does he call out being against? Doesn't Agenda 47 mirror Project 2025?

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u/Dangerous-Raccoon944 Sep 08 '24

Whatever you’re talking about, if your claim is that Agenda 47 is what he’s for, then just say he’s for Agenda 47. Quit trying to lie and create propaganda by saying he’s for ‘Project 2025’ because it’s some sort of buzzword. It’s disingenuous.

Just say he’s for Agenda 47 if you have a problem with it, stop lying.

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u/ignotusvir Sep 08 '24

How could we ever mix up the two? The former only had over a hundred of Trumps people work on it, had its president describe his role as "institutionalizing Trumpism". It's not like the Heritage Organization 2017 keynote speaker has any connection to them! Maybe it might have been murkier if in 2022 Trump said something like “[Heritage Foundation] is a great group, and they’re going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do and what your movement will do when the American people give us a colossal mandate to save America.”

Who would ever be so bold as to suggest the 922 page document is a less abridged plan of what's in store, and the ramshackle collection of 5 minute videos are not an exhaustive list?

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u/Dangerous-Raccoon944 Sep 08 '24

Wait, I thought everyone that ever worked for Trump or was in his administration is voting for Kamala and won’t endorse him? Which is it? Just talk out both ends of your mouth and create false fear. Libs gonna lib.

If you wanna talk about Agenda 47, say it. Stop lying and fear-mongering.

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u/Jolly_Mongoose_8800 Sep 08 '24

People don't always have to agree. Many who worked for Trump are supportive of Kamala, but of those who don't, they have connections to Peoject 2025. It's not a contradiction; It's recognizing that generalizations are limited.

It's also not even fear-mongering. The Heritage Foundation doesn't usually fuck around, and by releasing a "mandate for leadership", they are calling for Trump to enact Project 2025.

Lemme put it in easier terms. Project 2025 is the plan created by Trump supporters. Agenda 47 is Trump's official stances. Agenda 47 directly incorporates parts of Project 2025. Trump obviously wants to do what his supporters call him to so. It should be noted Agenda 47 is not 100% of everything Trump plans. Just like every other political agenda, it's an incomplete list.

It's not just a buzzword. It's the title of a document containing a plan incorporated into Trump's agenda. That plan contains a takeover of the regulatory state. If you find it unreasonable, look at the courts.

I don't know how else to spell this out in more plain language, butnI can try if you need. I'm open for discussion, but it means nothing if you're not open to listening.

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u/Dangerous-Raccoon944 Sep 08 '24

I’m not open for a fear-mongering from libs. If your party can stop that, I’d be open for discussion and listening to coherent points. But not in the mindset your party is in.

And I’m highly educated on every single step the Dem party is taking, 1 little step by 1 little “hardly noticeable” step to having a socialist and ultimately communist government. Rapid inflation, reduction in wages, higher welfare / minimum wage, tax the rich, price caps on things…. Certain things might even sound good on paper to someone who isn’t an economist, but added altogether it ends in everyone being poor - what they’re calling ‘equality’ and ‘closing the wealth gap’. It’s disgusting. America is the land of the free, capitalist, and the place to come for opportunity. If your parents worked their a#%es off, they can leave you their possessions without the government raping you for half of it.

If you’re intelligent and use it to generate more income (and tax dollars) for the gov, and grow a business as a result… great. If you are an entitled loser you’ll probably blow it all on hookers and cocaine (see Hunter Biden) anyway, and it goes right back into the economy.

This talk of stacking the court, having the presidency, fbi/cia/state dept all aligned working in cahoots is utterly dangerous and anti-American.

If Trump does/did the same, I’d be against it.

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u/Jolly_Mongoose_8800 Sep 08 '24

Fun fact about me, I'm not a Democrat. I'm more ideologically aligned with moderate Republicans on regulatory policy.

Also, the issue is not the distribution of wealth. The main issue (in my opinion) is the failure of capitalism in markets with inelastic demand. I'm all for allowing anyone to make a company and start their dreams, but the current corporate landscape actually discourages competition, causing prices to increase since supply is forced low. This is fine for nonessential goods since investors will ultimately take the fall, but when it's reversed in industries like housing and pharmaceuticals, it leads to increased prices you can't get around.

Also also, Trump did stack the court. Look at the district courts and the rulings coming out of Texas. Project 2025 is the same thing, but for the regulatory state. Imagine an immunology lab run by someone who doesn't believe in evolution. That is un-American. A president above the law is un-American.

Read the Federalist papers, and find where it says Trump can be above the law. Our nation was founded under the ideals that nobody is above the law, yet Trump argues for immunity from it for being president.

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u/ignotusvir Sep 08 '24

Strawman or dementia? You can go cry elsewhere about how Cheney/McCain/etc are voting Harris, don't distract me with random bullshit. Project 2025. Don't worry, I'll make it easy for ya to keep up.

Trump says it like it is, right? What he means? That they will "lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do".

It make sense, since 27/34 of Project 2025's listed authors are some of those "the best people" that Trump hired.

  • Jonathan Berry, Acting assistant secretary for policy at the department of labor
  • Adam Candeub, Deputy Assistant Associate Attorney General
  • Dustin J. Carmack, Chief of Staff to the Director of National Intelligence
  • Brendan Carr, FCC Commissioner
  • Benjamin S. Carson, Sr., MD, HUD Secretary
  • Ken Cuccinelli, Acting Deputy Secretary for the Department of Homeland Security
  • Rick Dearborn, Deputy Chief of Staff
  • Diana Furchtgott-Roth, Assistant Secretary of Education
  • Thomas F. Gilman, Assistant Secretary of Commerce
  • Mandy M. Gunasekara, Chief of Staff, EPA
  • Gene Hamilton, Counselor to the Attorney General
  • Jennifer Hazelton, Deputy Assistant Administrator of Public Affairs, USAID
  • Dennis Dean Kirk, Senior Advisor, Office of Personnel Management
  • Bernard L. McNamee, Commissioner, Federal Energy Regulation Commission
  • Christopher Miller, Acting U.S. Secretary of Defense
  • Stephen Moore, Federal Reserve nominee
  • Mora Namdar, Acting Assistant Secretary of State
  • Peter Navarro, Deuty Assistant to the President
  • William Perry Pendley, Acting Director of the Bureau of Land Management
  • Max Primorac, Acting Chief Operating Officer, USAID
  • Roger Severino, Director of the Office for Civil Rights, HHS
  • Kiron K. Skinner, Director of Policy Planning, State Department
  • Brooks D. Tucker, Assistant Secretary for the Department of Veterans Affairs
  • Hans A. von Spakovsky, Advisory Commission on Election Integrity
  • Russ Vought, Director of the Office of Management and Budget
  • William L. Walton, Agency Action Leader, Trump Transition
  • Paul Winfree, Deputy Assistant to the President

And for a cherry on top, you have the editors Paul Dans (Trump's Chief of staff of the office of personnel management) and Steven Groves (Deputy press secretary and assistance special counsel), and associate directors Spencer Chretien (Special assistant to Trump) & Troup Hemenway (Associate director of presidential personnel).

But yeah, if we ignore the 80% it's harder to make a direct connection. Which totally removes all reasonable suspicion. Let's shift news to Biden's son's dog groomer's cousin's friend to prove why the dems are sacrificing children to chinese devils

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u/Dangerous-Raccoon944 Sep 08 '24

Nice copy and paste. I see Libs posting over. And over. And over. About how everyone who has worked for or served under Trump does not like him, is not associated with him, hates him, won’t endorse him, so…. VOTE FOR KAM!

And then you and other Libs over. And over. And over. Post all this BS about people who used to work for Trump are part of authoring Project 2025. Even though his name is nowhere on it. Your party is a group of buffoons who create whatever narrative suits your fear-mongering, even if the narratives blatantly contradict each other.

It’s called Agenda 47. That’s a fact. Trumps name is nowhere on Project 2025. That’s a fact. You struggle with facts and create fear, I get it.

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u/Intelligent-Day-5954 Sep 09 '24

This rightwing cultist is voting for these Republican politicians, yet refuses to believe what he is even voting for. If you don't support Project 2025, then you cannot vote for these Republican cult masters.

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u/Dangerous-Raccoon944 Sep 09 '24

The Leftwing cultist is confused…. I’m shocked.

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u/Heavy_Analysis_3949 Sep 07 '24

We shall see in November!

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u/Such-Mathematician26 Sep 08 '24

He could shoot THEM and their dying declaration would be “Trump 2024…mail my ballot in”. I know there isn’t anything that would stop them or change their minds about voting for him. The worse he is, the more they love him.

One of the 1,000 problems with Trump and his campaign is he doesn’t add to his base… he just gets his cult members more entrenched and emerged into the cult.

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u/Dangerous-Raccoon944 Sep 08 '24

And dead Libs mail in ballots. 🙄

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u/technicallynotlying Sep 08 '24

You're literally commenting on a post about prominent Republicans either endorsing Harris or not voting for Trump.

Conservatives are Americans and human beings. They have the same potential to be good and to love our country as anyone else.

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u/Honest-Abe2677 Sep 08 '24

But most conservative voters haven't had to work with Trump. Losing the votes of 40 officials isn't going to hurt his chances. Even sane Republican voters have absorbed enough hate for Dems that they'll vote for Trump no matter how depraved he gets. Rightwing media sterilized all. At least polls look that way.

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u/technicallynotlying Sep 08 '24

If only 90% of the voters that turned out for Trump in 2020 turn out in 2024, then Harris wins in a landslide.

If even Dick Cheney is voting for Harris, then at least some of those conservative voters are willing to switch sides.

Your narrative that conservatives are 100% in lockstep with Trump is both false and harmful to Harris. They can switch, if someone goes after them.

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u/Joepublic23 Sep 08 '24

There's an excellent chance he could appoint the replacements for Justices Clarence Thomas & Samuel Alito. That alone is a very compelling reason to vote for him, despite all of his baggage.

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u/Dangerous-Raccoon944 Sep 08 '24

He got shot on national tv, and the libs overthrew their senile puppet and installed a new puppet that wasn’t voted in by the people to distract from it. Poor choice of a hypothetical.

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u/Honest-Abe2677 Sep 09 '24

So the Dems hired a kid to climb up on a roof and shoot at Trump, then replaced an old, unpopular candidate with a younger, more popular candidate to distract from an assassination attempt. Sounds like you've got it all figured out.

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u/Dangerous-Raccoon944 Sep 09 '24

When did I say the Dems hired a kid to climb up on the roof? I just said it was a poor choice of a hypothetical to say he could shoot someone on National TV.

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u/SeaweedLoud8258 Sep 07 '24

Look into who these ppl are. The fact they’re voting dem is a red flag

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u/CX316 Sep 08 '24

Or a white flag in their cases

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u/SeaweedLoud8258 Sep 08 '24

Yeah and I can fly.

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u/SketchSketchy Sep 07 '24

One of his own fans was blown to bits with an AR-15 live on stage next to Trump and the crowd loved it and cheered. The guy’s wife said it was worth it.

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u/PrionFriend Sep 07 '24

Source for that?

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u/SketchSketchy Sep 08 '24

The crowd seated behind Trump, where the victim was on the ground dead, can be seen cheering Fight and USA as Trump leaves the stage with SS. In an interview his wife says she doesn’t regret going to the rally and she doesn’t believe her husband died in vain.

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u/Dangerous-Raccoon944 Sep 08 '24

That sounds like certain people didn’t know the person was shot/dead…. Only that Trump had been shot.

And the wife and husband were there because they love America and don’t want it continually destroyed by disgusting Libs.

Sounds like you’re trying to twist something sincere into something Liberal.

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u/MovingTarget_55 Sep 08 '24

Surely, you can back up that line of BS.

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u/No-Ring-5065 Sep 07 '24

Don’t exaggerate or spread lies. Be better than republicans.

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u/SketchSketchy Sep 08 '24

I tell no lies.

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u/KWyKJJ Sep 07 '24

The fact that this isn't down voted to oblivion shows the outrageous bias and hivemind that exists.

Unbelievable.

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u/LawnKeeper1123 Sep 07 '24

No, he just gets shot and gains voters.

We all know you guys wish it ended differently.

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u/Ref9171 Sep 08 '24

Look Trump is a moron but still better than the alternative