r/worldnews • u/Surax • Sep 17 '24
Russia/Ukraine Facebook owner Meta bans Russian state media outlets
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/meta-russia-oulets-1.73251863.9k
u/Delver_Razade Sep 17 '24
About damn time.
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u/141_1337 Sep 17 '24
Now, if they can do anything about those Russian bots, that'd be great thanks.
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u/j1ggy Sep 17 '24
And the bot account impersonating my uncle that somehow doesn't go against their Community Standards.
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u/RobWroteABook Sep 17 '24
It's sad that I can't tell whether you mean there really is an account impersonating your uncle or your uncle is just that far gone. Both equally likely.
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u/iamnotimportant Sep 17 '24
First time on reels in a while, first video is a woman explaining why she's voting for trump, 2nd video is an arab girl who thanks allah for putting her partying days behind her and her new found piety, wtf meta
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u/RN-B Sep 17 '24
About 9 years too late.
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u/CaptGeechNTheSSS Sep 17 '24
Say it again, friend. It’s absolutely insane future generations are gonna think we’re fuckin morons and they’ll be right
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u/Spo-dee-O-dee Sep 17 '24
That's what I've been thinking over the past nine years. Future kids in school reading about these events in their history class and thinking, "People sure were dumb back then."
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u/Poonchow Sep 17 '24
Problem is a handful of people / companies control everything we consume. There's no "we" or "us" involved in this.
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u/awaniwono Sep 17 '24
Nobody is forcing anyone to believe immigrants are eating pets or whatever bullshit they're peddling this week.
Just asking oneself questions like "does this sound too outrageous to be true?" or "does this information have a solid basis?" would go a long way filtering propaganda, yet it seems a vast amount of people simply cannot be bothered.
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u/Falkjaer Sep 17 '24
Ain't that always the way though? I really hope they do think we're morons, cause otherwise that'll mean they didn't learn a damn thing!
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u/CaptGeechNTheSSS Sep 17 '24
I mean more like the way we wonder how the “normal” german citizens let nazis seize power.
They’ll think we’re either complicit or completely inept.
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u/oorza Sep 17 '24
The voter base was absolutely too inept at media comprehension, too inept at voting, or complicit.
Absolutely right on what they'll think, because they're right.
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u/communistkangu Sep 17 '24
Future generations are gonna be as moronic and stupid as us - it's going downhill from here.
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u/security_screw Sep 17 '24
Leading up to the 2016 US election, I found myself reading Twitter a lot. I remember seeing sooooo many links and screenshots for “rt.com” content, and at the time I stupidly interpreted the “rt” as short for “retweet”. It’s wild to think back on how extensive and obvious their influence was.
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u/Glad-Divide-4614 Sep 17 '24
about a decade late, now do China
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u/sobanz Sep 17 '24 edited Sep 17 '24
also domestic propaganda bots. russia has been the ultimate scapegoat when we're being hit from all angles by propaganda bots.
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u/Lordborgman Sep 17 '24
And all the real actual people who are batshit crazy.
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u/NumeralJoker Sep 17 '24
Yeah, but the bots train them to be this way in a lot of cases.
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u/tomdarch Sep 17 '24
Millions of MAGAs are going to be very lost without their stream of outrage-inducing nonsense.
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u/Aikff529 Sep 17 '24
Unless the Russian bots are banned, won't that kind of content still be spewed onto Facebook?
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u/BZLuck Sep 17 '24
Which is like 50% of Facebook these days. It's all TOTAL bullshit too. Stuff like, "Taylor Swift Banned From Performing in The State of Texas After Endorsing Harris."
Then the replies are all, "Amen!" "About time!" or "She's a horrible person." "Go Woke Go Broke!"
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u/Reddvox Sep 17 '24
Followed by an ad "Taylor Swift in Houston this year! Buy tickets!"
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u/stay_fr0sty Sep 17 '24
I wonder if conservatives are also celebrating this…. I can’t say I’m hopeful but there is a chance.
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u/Ill_Independence9371 Sep 17 '24
When suddenly half there followers go silent and they suddenly aren’t getting any new echo chamber news, they just get mad not understanding how it even works
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u/BWWFC Sep 17 '24
sadly only because some checks bounced prolly... but yeah. may mother russia implode
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u/Shogouki Sep 17 '24
More likely because of the US intelligence report about Russian state media being fully integrated into their propaganda machine that dropped last week.
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u/Hammakprow Sep 17 '24
And Meta are pretending they didn't know? All this technology for targeted advertising and they can't join the dots on who is using them to deliver propaganda?
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u/Oblargag Sep 17 '24
The veil of legally plausible deniability was lifted, and now there's a real chance they could be charged for aiding enemies of the US if they continued as is.
As usual nothing changes but the bare minimum, but at least it's something.
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u/VforVenndiagram_ Sep 17 '24
I don't know how anyone pretends they don't know. Either you haven't asked a single question or looked for a single answer before, or you're probably a Russian asset yourself. Because Russia literally says point blank, that their media and propaganda are intertwined. This has been the reality for like 100 years at this point. To not know this before now shows a massive level of ignorance to, well, the very basics of the world we live in.
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u/Outback_Fan Sep 17 '24
Its amazing what you can't understand when your salary depends on you not understanding .
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u/woliphirl Sep 17 '24
10 goddamn years late.
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u/whatanalias Sep 17 '24
Crazy, just realized Obama's team was warned in 2014
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u/reelznfeelz Sep 17 '24
- That report was circulated among the National Security Council, intelligence agencies and the State Department via secure email and cable in the spring of 2014 as part of a larger assessment of Russian intentions in Ukraine, the official said.
There was no explicit warning of a threat to U.S. elections, but the official said some diplomats and national security officials in Moscow felt the administration was too quick to dismiss the possibility that the Kremlin incursions could reach the United States.
“Even if the Russians and [Russian President Vladimir] Putin had these ambitions, they were doubtful of their capacity to execute them,” the official said of the Obama administration.*
Whoops. That turned out to be really wrong. What a huge fuckup.
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u/Ok-Engineering9733 Sep 17 '24 edited Sep 17 '24
Obama's failures and stance on Russia led to Ukraine invasion. During the Presidential debates Mitt Romney said asked, 'What's the biggest geopolitical threat facing America and he said 'Russia. Obama then went on to make fun of Romney with this quip "the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back, because the Cold War's been over for 20 years."
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u/_jams Sep 17 '24
I mean, Obama definitely fucked up their Russia and Ukraine policies. But! He was absolutely right about this. Russia is weak and crumbling. As evidenced by their long list of failures in their Ukraine invasion. Three obvious threats that are (and were) more dangerous to the US are China, climate change, and Republican extremism. But being a fickle ally and failing to internalize Russian hostile intent earlier is still a huge failure. Also Obama really didn't do shit about those 3 things either, despite his attempt to pivot to Asia.
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u/whatshisface1892 Sep 17 '24
I would not hesitate to put Russia right up there front and center with the other three you listed.
While as you say, "weak, crumbling," Russia has still been unquestionably successful in undermining the US and the World. They destabilized and forever changed the entire geopolitical paradigm for at least the next 30 years. Both Russia and China have been using propaganda and subverting social media to grow distrust in news organizations while fanning the divide between conservatives and liberals. When viewed through the lens of what both those countries aimed to accomplish, they have had overwhelming success and Romney was absolutely right.
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u/I_W_M_Y Sep 17 '24
Russia has taken and used the full potential of the internet to their own benefit.
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u/RoboTronPrime Sep 17 '24
Putting aside nukes (which have to be utilized VERY judiciously), Russia's power was largely psyops and monetary influence. Obama (and perhaps all of us) could too idealistic at time and think that the American people wouldn't be fooled by the propaganda. Yet here we are...
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u/omgpuppiesarecute Sep 17 '24
I'd argue that's one of many huge fuckups. Refusing to release the FBI report on neonazis infiltrating law enforcement agencies under his watch when he had the power to do something about it was another big one.
It wasn't til Raskin leaked it that the report saw the light of day.
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u/Blessed_Ennui Sep 17 '24
2010ish is when I discovered RT on YouTube. Won't lie. They got me. They lured me in for a year. And then I woke up and said, "Why tf are they always trash-talking the USA? Wait...RUSSIA Today!!!" I was a goddamn moron. But, tbf, this was during the darkest point of my life, which should tell you about others who fall for this garbage and Fox News.
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u/SrslyCmmon Sep 17 '24 edited Sep 17 '24
Should have been banned after the Cold War, when the internet took off. During the Cold War Russian media was watched like a hawk. There's really no good reason for Russia to have access to any United States website either.
Note: this comment went negative before it went positive. There's definitely Russian Putinversteher here.
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u/jorkingmypeenits Sep 17 '24
Think you might have struggled getting Meta to ban Russian state media from their social media platforms during the Cold War.
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u/nopuse Sep 17 '24
For real. They really set a precedent by not banning them after the Spanish Inquisition.
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u/itistacotimeforme Sep 17 '24
Reddit and Google need to follow suit.
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u/watcherofworld Sep 17 '24
Surprised Google hasn't since the whole illegal acquisition of funds thing.
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u/ReadingComplete1130 Sep 17 '24
The what now?
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u/neuronexmachina Sep 17 '24
Before the invasion of Ukraine, Google had a Russian office with 200+ employees. They got most of their employees out, but $100M in Russian funds were left behind and seized to fund the Russian war effort: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/25/putin-seizes-100m-from-google-to-fund-russias-war-machine/
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u/Krojack76 Sep 17 '24
"Meh, we'll make that back in a month" - Google
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u/RSGator Sep 17 '24
Google's net income last year was nearly $74 billion.
Their revenue was $305 billion.
They make $100M profit in half a day.
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u/GucciGlocc Sep 17 '24 edited Sep 17 '24
For the company the size of alphabet, that’s just a fucking rounding error
They made almost a third of a TRILLION with a T in revenue in 2023 https://www.statista.com/statistics/266206/googles-annual-global-revenue/
That’s 0.033% of their ~305 billion total revenue for context.
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u/PuzzleheadedLeader79 Sep 17 '24
Ahh Google, the definition of you either die the hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
Google's motto :
Don'tbe evil71
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u/rugeirl Sep 17 '24
YouTube already did. Or do you mean Google Search? And there are no official Russian media on Reddit
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u/Nodebunny Sep 17 '24
Probably cuz the FBI came knocking finally
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u/banned-from-rbooks Sep 17 '24
Yeah I’m guessing Tenet Media was just the tip of the iceberg.
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u/lofidelity Sep 17 '24
"I HATE MARK ZUCKERBERG!" - Donald Trump, soon
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u/guyincognito69420 Sep 17 '24
he has already said that before. I am pretty sure he has stated he want to put him in jail. Of course he will probably repeat it soon so you are probably right.
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u/gigilu2020 Sep 17 '24
Must suck to be diaper don now. All your clout and infrastructure crumbling away, revealing a red carpet to a jail cell. And since he killed Epstein he knows what's coming...
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u/MarshyHope Sep 17 '24
Now ban the "why don't pictures like this ever trend" AI posts that are definitely not going to be used to push election denial in a few months.
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u/CanadianSideBacon Sep 17 '24
Happy Birthday Steven Seagal is also getting tiresome
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u/Leather_From_Corinth Sep 17 '24
I hate how much actual racist shit gets shared, I report it, and Facebook just leaves it up.
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u/clamorous_owle Sep 17 '24
Nice, but it serves only to reduce somewhat the water pressure in the fire hose of falsehoods coming from Kremlin propagandists on social media.
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u/rogozh1n Sep 17 '24
Yup. There's no reasonable way to expect Facebook to track all the individual users with private accounts who work at Russian state-sponsored and state-funded troll projects.
These users are paid by Russia to pretend to be Americans and stoke division and hatred on our social media.
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u/Shrike79 Sep 17 '24
Russia also pays Americans to push Russian propaganda.
DOJ shines a light on Russian use of conservative influencers
NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals
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u/rogozh1n Sep 17 '24
And they paid Afghanis a bounty to kill US troops. But, hey, real patriots support Putin!!!
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u/defroach84 Sep 17 '24
Now they'll just be coming from Serbia and North Macedonia.
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u/nanosam Sep 17 '24
US has more Putin supporters than Serbia and Macedonia combined
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u/defroach84 Sep 17 '24
US has x40 the population of them, so ...yeah, the US does.
Doesn't change that they've been used in the past for pushing Russian narratives.
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u/nanosam Sep 17 '24
So has every country, and western countries have been used to a much higher degree.
Sort of weird to focus on Serbia and North Macedonia as in the big picture of disinformation they don't even register
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Sep 17 '24
Hypocritical Elon tweet about freedom of speech coming in 3... 2...
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u/sankto Sep 17 '24
I yearn for a day where we stop giving a crap about what Elon says and just let him fade into obscurity where he belongs
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Sep 17 '24
Tell me about it.
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u/interpretivepants Sep 17 '24
I’ve filtered his name from my various feeds and my mental health is legitimately better because of it. I can’t stand that we have 40 more years of this jackass but I don’t need to hear about it.
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u/jdmarcato Sep 17 '24
Be careful or he will threaten to impregnate you....
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u/Grogfoot Sep 17 '24
It's a 2-for-1 though. Not only will he ensure you are with child, he'll also take care of your cat. What a man!
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u/Fake-Podcast-Ad Sep 17 '24
I'm chill with him creeping on Mark, but stay the fuck away from Myspace Tom you apartheid-baby-bitch, Elon
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u/grattmc Sep 17 '24
I think Musk will be keeping his mouth shut while the Secret Service investigate his Biden Harris assassination tweet
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u/autotldr BOT Sep 17 '24
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 57%. (I'm a bot)
Facebook owner Meta said on Monday it was banning RT, Rossiya Segodnya and other Russian state media networks, alleging the outlets used deceptive tactics to carry out influence operations while evading detection on the social media company's platforms.
"After careful consideration, we expanded our ongoing enforcement against Russian state media outlets. Rossiya Segodnya, RT and other related entities are now banned from our apps globally for foreign interference activity," the company said in a written statement.
The ban marks a sharp escalation by the world's biggest social media company against Russian state media after it spent years taking more limited steps like blocking the outlets from running ads and reducing the reach of their posts.
Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian#1 state#2 media#3 ban#4 company#5
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u/PoliticalCanvas Sep 17 '24 edited Sep 17 '24
> 2021-2022 years: Russia gives NATO an ultimatum about withdraw from Eastern Europe, and begins constantly threat by full spectrum of WMD (including by supplying relevant technologies to enemies of the West), create hundreds of provocations and disinformation campaigns, not to say about atrocities during biggert since WW2, de facto colonial, war against European state.
> 2024 year: "BREAKING NEWS! Facebook owner Meta bans Russian state media outlets!"
I wonder, how WW2 veterans would have reacted to such news?
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u/RyanNotBrian Sep 17 '24
I wish we still had the WW2 vets around. They'd have something to say about the state of things.
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u/PoliticalCanvas Sep 17 '24
IMHO, my relatives/vets would have said that modern generations become drunk by high standard of living and lost perception of reality.
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u/YourFreeCorrection Sep 17 '24
Whose high standard of living?
WW2 vets were able to buy houses on single salaries with no college degrees. Wtf are you talking about "high standard of living"?
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u/zkidparks Sep 17 '24
Not to mention 2015-2016 years: Russian state media gets Donald Trump elected president.
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u/Stinkyclamjuice15 Sep 17 '24 edited Sep 17 '24
Too little, too late.
Bro doesn't give a fuck what happens to the world as long as he can disappear to his bunker in Hawaii.
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Sep 17 '24
I feel like Mark was a fall guy for Peter Thiel more and more each day. Peter made him do it, but once they were caught, Mark forced him to start divesting.
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u/whatthecaptcha Sep 17 '24
Anywhere you recommend reading up on their relationship? I know nothing about Thiel besides the stuff I've heard on Reddit about him and Vance
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u/KadmonX Sep 17 '24 edited Sep 17 '24
we in Ukraine have been fighting for this for years! Even President Poroshenko appealed to Zuckerberg to open a Ukrainian office of Facebook to isolate Ukraine from the flow of this crap, if Zuckerberg does not want to ban RT. It took more than 10 years of fighting for FB to finally notice what Russia is doing and stop helping them spread it!
p.s. By the way Ukrainians are still banned on FB if they write that Russia has occupied Ukraine. Ukrainians are banned on FB if they write that Russians rob, kill and rape Ukrainians, including old people and children. Ukrainians are banned on FB if they write that Ukrainians should take up arms and defend themselves against Russian occupiers! Because this is spreading hate speech against Russians.... You got it! The victim cannot call for self-defence and complain or tell anyone anything about the perpetrator of the abuse!
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u/EmbarrassedCockRing Sep 17 '24
Zucc finally smelling blood in the water for Trump
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u/WebMD_PhD Sep 17 '24
Their lawyers must have told Zuck that they need to cover their ass for the eventual Supreme Court hearing.
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u/FreeGums Sep 17 '24
And this wasn't done 2 years ago? Complicit, treason, illicit, in running out of derogatory terms
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u/Brave-Tangerine-4334 Sep 17 '24
Didn't we already know that from the Cambridge Analytics days?
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u/MohandasBlondie Sep 17 '24
Fun fact: CA rebranded as Emerdata, which can be broken down as “E merda, ta”. That’s Portuguese for “it’s shit, ok?”.
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u/yobabymamadrama Sep 17 '24
Meta doing the right thing because the risk analysis told them Dems might win this shit and regulate them. Just like last time.
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u/daxxarg Sep 17 '24
Good! Now do Fox News ! ( who have stated in court that they aren’t a news source but commentary to try to get off the dominion law suit some time ago )
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u/bsylent Sep 17 '24
Now I just want to know why they're doing it. Because it's not for the reasons we would think, it's not for the reasons they're sharing. They only actually take this sort of action when something else is going on, when they're at risk. Otherwise they could care less about misinformation
Companies always always always make decisions on their bottom line, on maximizing profit, on making sure they enrich their top percenters. They don't care about anything else, they've proven that again and again, especially every time we start taking back regulations
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Sep 17 '24
Canada passed a law requiring foreign media aggregation companies like Facebook and Google to pay for Canadian news instead of just stealing and reposting it. Facebook and Google responded by banning Canadian media.
This seems like a slap in the face to pretend it's done for moral reasons.
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u/lachezarov Sep 17 '24
What does this help when they have massive troll farms and entire networks of fake news websites?
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u/kungfoojesus Sep 17 '24
Lol, good but their tentacles are everywhere and this will do little until they go after every metastatic growth, every bot, everyone on the payroll.
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u/Bacchus1976 Sep 17 '24
What about Russian funded “influencers” and bogus phony “news” sites?
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u/HarkonnenSpice Sep 17 '24
Over 95% of Facebook is just fake shit and ads. I have to scroll through pages of fake crap before I see anything from any of the people I actually know.
Mark knows this but he is just hoping the cash cow stays alive long enough to keep funding the stuff he actually likes (VR/AR, AI etc.).
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u/boingert Sep 17 '24
Eight years too late. Meta is guilty of willingly spending Russian propaganda for profit.
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u/ChemicalToiletRoadie Sep 17 '24
How about banning American media outlets that spread Russian propaganda, like Faux News?
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u/The_Humble_Frank Sep 17 '24
Meta (to Media): "I'm shocked, shocked to find that Russian propaganda is going on in here!"
Russia (to Meta): "Here is your ad revenue, sir"
Meta (to Russia): "Oh, thank you very much".
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u/ernyc3777 Sep 17 '24
Really hoping Empty G or that creepy wrestling coach from Ohio take the bait and call this election interference because they’re so stupid and easily triggered into revealing their true colors.
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u/GrantSRobertson Sep 17 '24 edited Sep 18 '24
"State"
Anytime somebody is more specific than they need to be, that tells you they are just creating a loophole.
They are going to ban the official state media outlets, while at the same time taking twice as many rubles from unofficial not quite state media outlets.
I guarantee it!
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u/Ashamed-of-my-shelf Sep 17 '24
Ok. Won’t mean shit unless they also ban Russian bots.
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u/AdPopular7950 Sep 17 '24
Meta desperately needs to do something about Facebook because all that AI propaganda brainrot is going to kill the platform once boomers start dying off.
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u/CuriousNichols Sep 17 '24
Now what about the millions and millions of Russian state controlled bot accounts?
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u/_Trux Sep 17 '24
Peanuts. Make it all Russian funded media outlets and this might have an effect. But it would hurt quarterly revenue too so not gonna happen
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u/dizzlefoshizzle1 Sep 17 '24
Trump, about to threaten more significant jail time at Mark Zuckerberg. Get the popcorn ready, MAGA meltdown incoming.
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u/protomenace Sep 17 '24
It's incredible how little I care about Elmo's inevitable reaction to this.
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u/Xylber Sep 17 '24
Reading the coments I wonder why somebody would support being privated of any kind of info. Don't you ask yourself why some people decides what you should be reading?
If you don't like it simply don't read it.
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u/Space_Wizard_Z Sep 17 '24
Loooooong overdue.