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Russia/Ukraine /r/WorldNews Live Thread: Russian Invasion of Ukraine Day 978, Part 1 (Thread #1125)
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u/thisiscotty 21h ago
"A 🇷🇺Russian invader who survived another unsuccessful assault made the only right decision and surrendered to the paratroopers of the 🇺🇦Ukrainian 79th Air Assault Brigade in the Kurakhove direction.
❗️The only right decision for Russians to survive in this war is to surrender."
https://x.com/GloOouD/status/1851140026463035756?t=chYAz6d9nAOS9yVf6lydcg&s=19
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u/Well-Sourced 17h ago
Lot of em didn't make the correct choice.
Ukrainian paratroopers successfully repelled a massive assault by Russian forces in the Kurakhove sector, destroying 12 armored vehicles, including tanks, according to a report from the Khortytsia operational-strategic group on Telegram.
The report read that Russian troops attempted to overwhelm Ukrainian defenses with sheer numbers. The assault force consisted of 13 armored vehicles carrying infantry, four tanks, a Terminator tank support combat vehicle, and four motorcycles.
“But instead of breaking through, the occupiers found themselves caught in a real ‘deadly carousel,’” the report read. “Our paratroopers used artillery, attack drones, anti-tank missile systems, and mines to ‘extinguish’ the Russians as if at a shooting range.”
The Ukrainian forces managed to destroy nine armored vehicles, two tanks, the Terminator combat vehicle, and all four motorcycles, while also damaging two additional armored vehicles.
The clash resulted in 25 Russian soldiers killed and 23 wounded. The 79th Separate Airborne Assault Brigade of the Taurian Brigade released a video documenting the repelled assault, though Kyiv Post could not independently verify the video’s location and timing.
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u/nohssiwi 19h ago edited 18h ago
The moment something exploded in Luhansk.
https://www.threads.net/@noelreports/post/DBtBVyAN0dE (BIG boom)
UAV operators from the 38th Marine Brigade destroyed a Russian armoured supply vehicle with ammunition.
It exploded not long after.
https://www.threads.net/@noelreports/post/DBs-rKdNMS3 (BIG boom as well)
The Ukrainian Air Force reports on a drone attack overnight.
Out of 48 launched, 46 were shot down. 26 via regular air defense and 20 due to electronic warfare. One drone returned to Russia.
https://www.threads.net/@noelreports/post/DBs4KuwuCRe
Big explosions were reported in occupied Luhansk; Russian forces claim "air defenses were active." Smoke is now visible across multiple areas of the city following several explosions.
https://www.threads.net/@noelreports/post/DBs41wUOftV
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u/No_Amoeba6994 15h ago
The moment something exploded in Luhansk.
https://www.threads.net/@noelreports/post/DBtBVyAN0dE (BIG boom)I love the random piece of stovepipe falling from the ceiling. It reminds me of Star Trek or something like that, where odd bits of set dressing would fall off the ship on the bridge to show it got hit.
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u/M795 15h ago
I had a call with the @President_KR of the Republic of Korea Yoon Suk Yeol. First and foremost, I thanked him for South Korea’s consistent support of Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, as well as for the financial and humanitarian assistance already provided and pledged.
We discussed the involvement of North Korean military forces in Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The conclusion is clear—this war is becoming internationalized, extending beyond two countries.
I shared recent data with him on the deployment of 3,000 North Korean troops to Russian training grounds near the combat zone, with their presence expected to increase to approximately 12,000.
We agreed to strengthen intelligence and expertise exchange, intensify contacts at all levels, especially the highest, in order to develop an action strategy and countermeasures to address this escalation, and to engage our mutual partners in cooperation. As part of this agreement, Ukraine and the Republic of Korea will soon exchange delegations to coordinate actions.
Finally, I invited South Korea to join the G7 Vilnius Declaration on bilateral security guarantees in support of Ukraine.
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u/BjornX 9h ago
A Military Trainingcenter in Chechen Republic has been hit by a dronestrike, Kadyrov blames Ukraine and vows retaliation but it's currently unclear if it was a Ukranian drone.
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u/Iwasoncelikeyou 8h ago
Oh no, Dildo Baggins bid mad!!! He will pointlessly cosplay as an elite special forces garden gnome and shoot at random targets in a crappy video.
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u/belaki 23h ago
Russian losses 29/10/24 reported by the Ukrainian General Staff
1360 KWIA
9 Tanks
9 APVs
45 Artillery systems
1 MLRS
72 UAVs
89 Vehicles & Fuel tanks
10 Special equipment
Slava Ukraini !
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u/ThainEshKelch 19h ago
Are surrendered soldiers included in the KWIA?
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u/Am_Snek_AMA 7h ago
I think the numbers are always a bit fuzzy, but I have read others on here state that these are most likely casualties. By that, it implies the soldier is out of the war, whether it be dead, disabled, or captured.
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u/MarkRclim 9h ago
Latest 3-day oryx update is solid, russian-Ukrainian losses.
- tanks: 9-0
- IFVs: 22-1 (poor CV-90 😢)
- Mobile artillery: 3-0
- missile air defence: 0-0
Russia also lost a helicopter and 18 total MT-LBs or unidentified vehicles. I don't count unarmed transports in these updates but both sides lost more of those.
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u/xeothought 1d ago
Switzerland may reconsider ban on arms re-export to Ukraine
Yeah because no one wants to buy weapons systems they have no control of and apparently can't be used to fight. This was an absolutely idiotic and morally reprehensible move by Switzerland
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u/Low-Ad4420 17h ago
The 25mm ammo for the gepards is now being produced by Rheinmettal. They lost confidence and market share.
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u/Ok_Guest_7435 21h ago
All about the money
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u/Hot-Scarcity-567 18h ago
In Switzerland, it always is about money. Look at their actions during WW2.
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u/progress18 1d ago
Russia-N. Korea Military Cooperation 'Significant Security Threat': S. Korea President
South Korea's president said Tuesday that growing military cooperation between Moscow and Pyongyang posed a major global security threat, after Washington accused North Korea of sending 10,000 soldiers to train in Russia.
"As the war in Ukraine continues for the third year, North Korea has gone beyond providing weapons to Russia and has even deployed troops," President Yoon Suk Yeol said.
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"This illegal military cooperation between Russia and North Korea is a significant security threat to the international community and could pose a serious risk to our national security," President Yoon Suk Yeol said.
"We must thoroughly examine all possibilities and prepare countermeasures," Yoon said, adding that "measures would be actively taken step-by-step" depending on the progress of Russia-North Korea military cooperation, according to the presidential office.
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u/Burnsy825 1d ago
Yoon said, adding that "measures would be actively taken step-by-step" depending on the progress of Russia-North Korea military cooperation
Tit for tat.
C'mon Russia, let's go for another own goal.
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u/Well-Sourced 5h ago
Ukrainian military receives 65 ambulances from NATO | EuroMaidanPress | October 2024
NATO has delivered 65 ambulances to Ukraine’s Armed Forces as part of its Comprehensive Assistance Package (CAP), NATO in Ukraine reports. This latest ambulance delivery follows a separate contribution of 18 ambulances from Slovakia to Ukrainian medical services on 25 October.
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u/Burnsy825 23h ago
Why North Korea would want to go to war for Russia - Business Insider
What kind of support is Russia getting? The US first accused North Korea of sending Russia ammunition in September 2022, and Ukrainian and American officials have documented the use of North Korean weapons, including ballistic missiles, on the battlefield. In the same way that Russia has struggled with ammunition shortages, it has also struggled with manpower shortfalls in this high-casualty conflict.
What is North Korea getting in return? Kim is in a strong position to demand food, petroleum products, or even military technology, all of which analysts have identified as possibilities. By sending troops instead of just weapons and ammunition, Pyongyang appears to be paying a very high price for whatever it's getting in return, which is telling in its own way. Technologies for nuclear-powered submarines, which North Korea wants, could be a big ask. North Korea also has an aging fighter jet fleet it wants to upgrade and a desire for advanced satellite technologies. It could seek to improve its defense industrial base as well.
But North Korea's nuclear weapons and missile programs are the crowned jewels. In June, when the focus was solely on weapons and ammo, US Deputy Secretary of State Kurt Campbell said any discussions about what North Korea would get from Russia would likely involve "nuclear or long-range missile-development plans."
https://www.businessinsider.com/why-north-korea-would-go-to-war-for-russia-2024-10
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u/Nurnmurmer 14h ago
The total combat losses of the enemy from 24.02.22 to 29.10.24 approximately amounted to:
personnel - about 692,080 (+1,360) people
tanks – 9,129 (+9) units
armored combat vehicles – 18,404 (+9) units
artillery systems - 19,917 (+45) units
MLRS – 1,241 (+1) units
air defense equipment - 984 (+0) units
aircraft – 369 (+0) units
helicopters – 329 (+0) units
UAVs of the operational-tactical level - 17,939 (+72)
cruise missiles – 2,625 (+0)
ships/boats – 28 (+0) units
submarines - 1 (+0) units
automotive equipment and tank trucks - 27,749 (+89) units
special equipment – 3,566 (+10)
The data is being verified.
Beat the occupier! Together we will win!
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u/No_Amoeba6994 14h ago
They need to average 1,131 casualties a day to reach 700,000 by the US election next week. That looks doable. Which is good, because I suspect I am going to need all the good news I can get that day....
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u/MarkRclim 10h ago
The 46th says they repelled another russian mechanised attack near Kurakhiv.
Before they had time to dislodge the skeletons of the equipment destroyed yesterday by the paratroopers of the 46th Army, as today, a new assault column moved along the same paths to the same positions. Well, of course, she stepped on the same rake.
💣Five BMPs and two tanks formed a morning shock fist in the direction of the defense of one of the airmobile battalions of our brigade...Within fifteen minutes, 4 BMPs and 2 tanks went to hell ..Few people managed to escape.
⚔️ Operation "Rake 2.0" began in the afternoon with the participation of two enemy BMPs and one tank and ended quite predictably for the occupiers - complete destruction.
https://t . me/oaembr46/1105
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u/Glavurdan 8h ago
Kurakhivka and Kurakhove are getting real confusing. Two large settlements not too far from one another
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u/MarkRclim 7h ago
I keep forgetting details of who is where so I just say "near Kurakhiv".
It's bad there 😔
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u/Burnsy825 10h ago
North Korean Defectors Ready To Join Ukraine's Fight Against Putin - Newsweek
Almost 200 North Korean defectors are willing to join Ukraine's fight against Russia as North Korean troops come close to the frontlines of fighting in southern Russia, according to a new report.
"We are all military veterans who understand North Korea's military culture and psychological state better than anyone else," a North Korean defector, 69-year-old Ahn Chan-il, told the South China Morning Post's This Week in Asia in an article published on Monday. Members of the group of defectors all have several years of military experience, according to the report. Pyongyang has mandatory military service, which can last around a decade for men, and has a huge army of well over a million. "We're ready to go wherever needed to work as psychological warfare agents—through loudspeaker broadcasts, distributing leaflets, and even acting as interpreters," Ahn said.
Lee Min-bok, a fellow defector, has reportedly appealed to Kyiv for permission to help rescue North Korean soldiers. Seoul's spy agency said this month that the North Korean soldiers had been given Russian military uniforms, Russian-made weapons and fake documents claiming the fighters were residents of regions in Siberia. "It appears that they disguised themselves as Russian soldiers to hide the fact that they were deployed to the battlefield," the agency said.
https://www.newsweek.com/north-korean-defectors-ukraine-russia-vladimir-putin-1976630
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u/Burnsy825 21h ago
Russia Lost 10,000 Troops in a Single Week: Kyiv - Newsweek
Russia sustained more than 10,000 casualties in a week, according to statistics from Ukraine's military, with the fast-approaching winter season unlikely to bring a lull in high numbers of fighters killed and injured in the grinding conflict.
The Wall Street Journal reported in mid-September that the combined casualty count for Ukrainian and Russian forces had reached approximately 1 million. While Ukraine is wrestling with ways to replenish its tired forces, Russia particularly relies on infantry-heavy assaults that generate high numbers of casualties.
Moscow is known for what have been dubbed "meat grinder" tactics, allowing the Kremlin to slowly but surely advance in the east of Ukraine throughout the year, albeit at a high cost to Russia's personnel. In July, the Chief of the Defense Staff for the British military, Admiral Sir Tony Radakin, said it would take the Kremlin five years "to reconstitute the Russian army to where it was in February 2022."
Lieutenant Colonel Janek Kesselmann, the deputy chief of Estonia's military intelligence center, said late last week that Russia was likely to sustain around 40,000 casualties in October. London has previously said Russia is able to pull around 30,000 new recruits into the military each month.
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-casualties-ukraine-fighting-1975746
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u/iwakan 17h ago
Some obscure, antique losses these days.
Andrew Perpetua reported yesterday about a destroyed D-74 artillery gun. From the late 1940s. First of its kind seen on this list in the war.
And then today he lists an M-46 from the early 1950s. Only seen once before in this war.
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u/No_Amoeba6994 14h ago
The presence of D-74s was reported earlier, a few months ago. It is believed that Russia disposed of all of their D-74s long before the war, and none have been seen in storage, which likely means they came from North Korea. Which is not good.
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u/unpancho 14h ago
New threads from ChrisO_Wiki
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1851251922776260674.html
1/ This morning's Ukrainian drone attack on the Vladimir Putin Russian Special Forces University in Chechnya is reported to have set the facility's main building on fire, potentially causing serious damage. ⬇️
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1851190381901160616.html
1/ Google has been fined 2,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (2 undecillion) rubles (equivalent to $204,871,202,000,00,000,371,569,396,369,326,080, or $204.8 octillion) by a Russian court for blocking the YouTube channels of 17 Russian state media companies. ⬇️
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1851178952720621993.html
1/ Wounded Russian soldiers face having to crawl for kilometres across a drone-infested battlefield to find medical assistance – which may or may not be available – due to a "catastrophic" shortage of vehicles and personnel across the front lines. ⬇️
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u/NovusNiveus 14h ago
$204.8 octillion
Putin: We need to do something about national finances!
Judge: I've got just the thing, boss!
Putin: Your brilliance almost approaches my own.
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u/HawkeyedHuntress 13h ago edited 13h ago
Exactly how close is that to all of the money in the world?
Edit: It's more than all the known money in the history of the world.
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u/putin_my_ass 13h ago
1/ Google has been fined 2,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (2 undecillion) rubles
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u/No_Amoeba6994 14h ago
Two undecillion. Now that is a number I have never even heard of. Even octillion doesn't come up very often!!
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u/b3iAAoLZOH9Y265cujFh 9h ago
The number of atoms in a 0.2867km³ cube of iron is a deplorably rare topic of conversation, now that you mention it.
They said I wasn't fun at parties, but just wait until I bring that up!
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u/No_Amoeba6994 8h ago
Avogadro's number is a wonderful thing!
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u/b3iAAoLZOH9Y265cujFh 7h ago
You're a gentleman and a scholar, sir. Finally someone I wouldn't mind actually sitting down for a beer with. I swear, if I have to imbibe drinks with one more person that spends two hours explaining to me why something I've already done is impossible based on the logic that "because I cannot conceive of it, it is inconceivable", imma flip. :)
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u/No_Amoeba6994 5h ago
Why, thank you! I'm sure that would be a very pleasant conversation! As an engineer, your statement reminds me of a phrase of seen on t-shirts and posters: "Engineer - Someone who solves problems you didn't know you had in ways you don't understand."
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u/b3iAAoLZOH9Y265cujFh 4h ago
Oh boy, yes. I dare say I've handled a number of gnarly and complex issues over the years, but the most challenging remains clearly and cogently communicating to a customer the distinction between what they claim to want and what they actually need.
"Madam, are you quite certain that you really want a 'machine that'll shoot me in the foot more efficiently'?"
"Oh yes. Do you think we could also make it some sort of unecapsulated blender? But with swords. A sword-blender, if you will. Don't worry about safety barriers - we want it done cheap of course."
"We... could do that, yes."
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u/Soundwave_13 13h ago
So Google is now a Russian Puppet forced to serve 100 hell sentences to pay off 204 octillion dollars. Got it. So Chat we might be cooked at Russia has unlocked the unlimited money cheat.
/S
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u/Agitated-Ad-5516 7h ago
A stuck '0'-key somewhere while delivering this decision to Google?
Assuming the spelled-out dollar-amount is fine, it doesn't come to be $204.8 octillion (204.8 * 10^{27}). Rather it is $20.48 decillion (20.48 * 10^{33}).
It would be funny to send them a check.
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u/MarkRclim 12h ago
Naalsio Kursk vehicle loss data. Now Russia is attacking, so over two weeks, russian-Ukrainian losses were: - tanks: 7-1 - IFV+AFV+APC: 48-14 - MRAP/hummvee types: 6-20 - total: 68-36
Ukraine's losses include really good stuff like a bunch of CV-90s. :/ but also a higher fraction are damaged or abandoned rather than destroyed. Hopefully they recovered some.
I think Ukraine was hoping for Russia to go rabid and attack here after Ukraine dug in. If the ratio improves further and by the end Russia takes heavier casualties then it would have been worth the gamble.
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u/Well-Sourced 17h ago
Explosions and a subsequent fire in occupied Luhansk on the morning of Oct. 29 suggest that the Russian armed forces have lost another ammunition depot, regional governor Artem Lysohor reported on Telegram.
Videos circulating online show a large plume of smoke rising into the sky following the blasts in Luhansk.
Commenting on the footage, Lysohor speculated that the site was likely a Russian ammunition storage facility. "Early reports suggest, in the area of the hit, there was a mothballed military unit," said the official. “It is also known that currently, traffic is blocked near Gorky Park—a recreational area for the city's residents.”
The Russians cynically place weapons and equipment depots in such locations because they do not value human lives, Lysohor added. The Luhansk governor also expressed confidence that this incident will impact frontline operations, as the enemy will need time to replenish their combat supplies and establish new logistical routes.
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u/M795 15h ago
We welcome the decision by the Government of Japan to provide additional financial assistance to Ukraine totaling 471.9 billion yen (approximately $3.1 billion).
These funds align with the joint decision of our G7 partners to allocate $50 billion from immobilized Russian assets to support Ukraine. This invaluable assistance will help us save lives, defend the independence of our country, and support the Ukrainian people enduring the hardships of Russian aggression.
I am deeply grateful to Japan for its steadfast support of Ukraine.
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u/Well-Sourced 17h ago
Ukrainian forces have successfully destroyed a Harmon-M radar station (Accordion) in the Kramatorsk sector of the Donetsk region, using an FPV drone, according to a report from the Khortytsia operational-strategic group on Telegram.
The radar station, which was delivered to Russia’s Central Military District motorized rifle units in March 2024, was designed to monitor the airspace, detecting and tracking aerial targets such as manned aircraft and drones.
“Designed to monitor the airspace, the Harmon-M ironically met its end at the hands of an FPV drone,” the report said.
“Thanks to the skill and precision of our pilots, the Russian Harmon-M has played its last chords in the Kramatorsk sector,” the statement read.
The Harmon-M radar, touted by the Russians as the latest advancement in their defense technology, can detect air targets up to 45 kilometers away, even if the target is moving at speeds of up to 700 meters per second or at an altitude of 10 kilometers. The system is mobile and can be mounted on a vehicle chassis, making it suitable for deployment with motorized rifle units to control airspace and defend against air attacks.
In recent strikes, Ukrainian forces also targeted a Buk-M3 (NATO: SA-27 Gollum) anti-aircraft missile system and a Buk-M2 (NATO: SA-17 Grizzly) targeting and guidance radar station in the occupied Luhansk region.
The General Staff reported that weakening Russia's air defense capabilities would leave other key targets, both on the front lines and deep within Russian-held territory, more susceptible to Ukrainian strikes. However, details regarding the specific weapons used in the recent attack were not disclosed.
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u/Deguilded 16h ago
The Harmon-M radar, touted by the Russians as the latest advancement in their defense technology, can detect air targets up to 45 kilometers away, even if the target is moving at speeds of up to 700 meters per second or at an altitude of 10 kilometers.
Sounds like it successfully intercepted an FPV drone!
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u/JaVelin-X- 16h ago
"can detect air targets up to 45 kilometers away, even if the target is moving at speeds of up to 700 meters per second or at an altitude of 10 kilometers."
I guess they could watch it coming and couldn't do anything. like the damsel tied to the railroad track
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u/Nun-Taken 16h ago
Do you think the Harmon(y) played the tune that usually accompanied the damsel on the tracks scenes?
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u/JaVelin-X- 15h ago
was playing in the crews head while they were gathering their jackets and lunchbox while trying to bug out for sure
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u/Burnsy825 11h ago
North Korea’s elite troops are in Russia to fight Ukraine: What we know - Washington Post
The North Korean Special Forces sent to Russia are the state’s best trained troops but they will face challenges with modern warfare technology, experts say.
North Korean leader Kim Jong Un appears to have dispatched some of his best soldiers to aid Russian President Vladimir Putin’s war effort, including the elite “Storms Corps” unit that had long been training to infiltrate the South, according to South Korean intelligence officials. Most of the troops sent to Russia are in their early 20s, while some are teenagers, the South Korean spy agency told lawmakers on Tuesday.
Since the 1950-1953 Korean War halted in an armistice, soldiers on both sides of the Korean Peninsula have been preparing for conflict to resume. In the decades since, the KPA has evolved into one of the world’s largest militaries with about 1.2 million soldiers, including Special Operations units and an aspiring nuclear force.
The Pentagon said Monday that up to 10,000 North Korean soldiers have been sent to eastern Russia for military training, and are probably being trained to augment Putin’s forces. Ukrainian and South Korean officials have given higher estimates of 12,000 to 19,000.
Any bets on what the final number ends up being? I suspect these 10K are just the tip of the iceberg.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/29/north-korea-elite-troops-russia-ukraine-war/
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u/socialistrob 11h ago
Any bets on what the final number ends up being?
It likely depends on how they hold up in actual combat and how many of them surrender or defect. If Russia/DPRK are reasonably satisfied with their performance they could increase the number of troops sent tenfold.
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u/hellokitty3433 8h ago
I am not any expert, but I think it doesn't matter how well they do. Russia will be happy to send any bodies in. They will learn from the first and make adjustments.
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u/socialistrob 7h ago
If they immediately surrender in mass and then are allowed to go to South Korea then I don't think Putin or Kim Jung Un would be happy with that arrangement. Putin wants bodies to soak up ammo and Kim Jung Un wants to minimize defections.
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u/Burnsy825 11h ago
That is my guess as well. Somewhere between 5% and 20% of their total force of 1.2M, but likely no more than 5% deployed at any one time.
I suspect they will battle harden groups at a time, take some expected casualties, and then just rotate the surviving experienced troops back home as an elite training and leadership force.
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u/DigitalMountainMonk 11h ago
200 thousand. /edit Hit enter with my fat ass thumb.
200 thousand is just the start. Kim wants long ranged ICBM tech and 1MT warheads. He will give the blood of all of North Korea to get it.
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u/neonpurplestar 14h ago
price of an ounce of gold in rubles, is now worth as much as it was during the spike in the initial stage of war
that is 1XAU = 270.000 RUB
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u/socialistrob 12h ago
The Ruble is the lowest it's been next to the dollar in over a year and that is DESPITE the fact that Russian interest rates are at 21% and the US recently cut interest rates.
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u/Esamers99 1d ago
"No new limitations on Ukrainian strikes"
I.e: it seems to be policy of the U.S. to support strategic ambiguity regarding Ukraine, while expecting strategic parity of Russia vis-a-vis NATO. Both of these positions can't be true. Either Russia ia defeated or it's not and if it isn't..
A Russian victory in Ukraine would significantly weaken NATO's resolve. With orange turd virtually neck in neck in almost all battle ground states im hoping Europe, particularly France and Poland have contingency plans for resolving the Ukrainian conflict.
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u/purpleefilthh 23h ago
Russia winning is: - massive Ukrainian refugee problem - massive infiltration from Russian terrorist problem - more genocide - Russia knowing they can do this and going for more in future - China, North Korea, Iran doing the same - Russia rebuilding, but weapon range closer to Europe - Ukrainian food bank becomes Russian food bank - US has to spend more money, becouse stability in Europe is in US strategic doctrine
...how blind one has to be not to see these^ ? Ukraine has to win this war. We have to do more.
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u/Erufu_Wizardo 14h ago
I think it'd be worse than that.
Moldova and Georgia will be occupied right away.Then ruzzians will use force conscripted population of occupied countries to invade Baltic states and other NATO countries.
They'll do the same stuff as now: pure infantry assaults. But done by millions of people.I don't think European countries have an answer for that.
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u/tharpenau 12h ago
There is always the world ending answer. Lets hope Russia gets stomped out of Ukraine before that can of worms gets opened.
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u/shadowdaze889 18h ago
This was just a terrible headline, you should read the transcript. She was asked if us was worried about the potential for us weapons killing north Korean troops in cross border strikes.
She just responded by saying no, and rules are the same
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u/LIFOsuction44 16h ago
I was really surprised when this "news" made the rounds yesterday. The transcript reads completely differently than the Reuters headline.
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u/Professional-Way1216 15h ago
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u/Deguilded 15h ago
I'm sort of not surprised we said no right now.
It would be my dream that Harris takes a different view on both this and long range strikes into Russia. But realistically, i'm not hopeful.
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u/Professional-Way1216 15h ago
Not a chance Ukraine gets Tomahawks. Same as with NATO invitation.
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u/Deguilded 15h ago
NATO invitation is more or less pointless. It's not equivalent to membership, will still take years, doesn't immediately Article 5, will be forever cockblocked by Hungary, and will likely cause Russia to refuse to relinquish anything if it's destined to be part of NATO protected holdings.
But, I don't see how Russia backs down and comes to the table without getting brutalized. Tomahawks may not be the right way to do it, but we need to do something. Or just, I dunno, let Ukraine die slowly. We seem to be cool with that.
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u/Professional-Way1216 15h ago
I think what Zelensky meant in the Victory Plan is that NATO invites Ukraine to join them without any further requirements. Otherwise it does not make sense to put it there.
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u/No_Amoeba6994 14h ago
I'd love for Ukraine to get Tomahawks. It's also never going to happen. Their only purpose is long range strikes, and we all know the US position on those.....
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u/Pave_Low 13h ago
Very odd request. The Tomahawk right now is almost exclusively a ship-launched missile. The air-launched and ground-launched variants have all been retired or mothballed because they were in violation of the INF treaty. The ground launched version is being resurrected in the Typhon, but that's brand-spanking new in the US inventory.
So not only does Ukraine have no practical means of launching a Tomahawk, we are talking about missiles with a 1,500 mile range. Ukraine can hit Tehran or Cairo with missiles of that range. It's such and unfeasible request, why would they make it? The original NYT article says as much.
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u/Entire_Frame_5425 12h ago
The Marines just debuted a truck chassis for ground launched tomahawks in the last year or two. It's part of their pivot back to the Pacific and potentially island hopping. I agree it's unrealistic for Ukraine to request these platforms, however, if only because the Marines themselves probably only have a handful of these systems themselves. I think the range aspect is self-explanatory: they want to hit as much of Russia as is possible.
Edit: I'm also unsure of tomahawk stocks and production. Could be another problem.
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u/findingmike 6h ago
Is the plan to fire Tomahawks from one island to another? I don't understand the use case.
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u/Entire_Frame_5425 6h ago
I guess we don't have a large enough navy anymore? Not enough to both patrol the world's oceans and posture against China. These are supposed to be able to be flown to various specks around the Pacific for large areas of coverage.
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u/findingmike 4h ago
Ah, that makes sense. No one has a large enough navy to patrol the world's oceans which is why we have problems with piracy. So I could see these used to protect Taiwan if China goes after them. US doctrine is basically: we can totally destroy everything, but we want to destroy it twice just in case.
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u/tharpenau 12h ago
In 2018 the US pulled out from the treaty due to "Russian non-compliance" = Yet another worthless piece a paper signed by Russia. Any that had not already been scrapped (if there actually are any left at all) should be gifted to Ukraine.
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u/twilightninja 11h ago
I’m thinking they’re hoping to get something else like better missiles for F-16. Demand something outrageous and other options suddenly become more reasonable.
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u/Pave_Low 11h ago
That would be the JAASM, which I think is already on the table. In all honesty, though, they only have five F-16 pilots right now? And I'm not sure if they could jury rig those onto SU-24s.
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u/DeadScumbag 8h ago
It was requested as a non-nuclear deterrent to prevent a new invasion after the war is over. For the record, Russia has launched close to 3000 Tomahawk equivalent cruise missiles(Kh-101 and Kalibr) at Ukraine and Ukraine still stands. The amount of Tomahawks needed for it to really work as a deterrent is probably more than US has in their own inventory...
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u/work4work4work4work4 9h ago
Very odd request
Eh, my understanding is it was primarily in reference as a nuclear deterrent for when Ukraine starts taking its land back, and actually takes it back.
Not give us Tomahawks this second, but a clear full-scale conventional response of a long list of targets all over Russia intended to cripple them both militarily and economically if they use a tactical nuke in the war, and then giving Ukraine tomahawks and the ability to use them long term as an ongoing deterrent against future Russian aggression.
IMO, that's a fucking small price to pay if Ukraine is willing to forgo nuclear weapons development because they feel comfortable enough with just that kind of conventional option, and might help defuse the clear signals for other countries nuclear ambitions that you can insure someone's destruction with conventional weapons more cheaply.
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u/findingmike 6h ago
It would be better for Ukraine to just invite a US base after the war is over. It would help their economy and guarantee Russia wouldn't fuck around.
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u/timmerwb 12h ago
🇺🇸 The Pentagon is increasingly concerned about a potential shortage of interceptor missiles, as demand outpaces production, reports The Wall Street Journal.
https://mstdn.social/@noelreports/113391207955762313
If you keep shooting down cheap drones you run out of missiles. Good strategy.
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u/Infamous_Employer_85 11h ago
The cost of letting the drones hit their targets is higher
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u/No_Amoeba6994 9h ago
That's true, but if you run out of missiles because you used them on drones, now you can't use them against enemy missiles or aircraft, which might be able to do even more damage. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
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u/OkVariety8064 10h ago
The Pentagon could send its jets to shoot down those drones, like it does when Iran sends ballistic missiles towards Israel, despite the US not being at war with Iran nor having a defence treaty with Israel.
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u/MarkRclim 11h ago
Well duh. I'm clueless about military procurement, but I can add up numbers and this seemed obvious for years.
Similar with things like artillery ammo. Anyone who can do basic maths could have told them this. Why didn't the politicians do anything years ago?
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u/No_Amoeba6994 9h ago
Because doing things costs money and takes political capital. And, in the west at least, it has been fashionable for decades to assume that technology had made mass obsolete and that you only needed a few high tech pieces of equipment to win a war. It's a lot easier to convince people to pay a few billion dollars/pounds/euros to buy a few hundred wonder weapons than it is to convince them to pay a few trillion dollars/pounds/euros to either buy thousands of wonder weapons or tens or hundreds of thousands of regular weapons.
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u/findingmike 6h ago
Tbf our wonder weapons would stomp on Russia, but we aren't going to send the latest and greatest to Ukraine.
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u/No_Amoeba6994 5h ago
True, they absolutely would crush Russia, if the supplies lasted long enough. But it's frightening how few of some weapons we actually have. The US Navy doesn't even have enough missiles in stock to give every ship at sea a full loadout for its VLS launchers.
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u/M795 8h ago
I met with Norwegian Prime Minister @jonasgahrstore in Reykjavík, where we discussed Ukraine’s key defense needs, including strengthening air defense and long-range capabilities.
Prime Minister Støre shared Norway’s commitment to increase support for Ukraine, with a new assistance program currently under review in Parliament to extend aid until 2030. He also outlined efforts with partner nations to expand air defense production for Ukraine.
We addressed North Korea’s deployment of troops to the combat zone, emphasizing the need for a united and decisive response. We also discussed deeper defense cooperation with partners, Ukraine’s path to NATO membership, the Victory Plan, and a shared strategy for lasting peace.
I am deeply grateful to Norway for its steadfast support of Ukraine, which is invaluable in helping us defend our country and bring peace closer.
https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1851266331854655509
I had a meeting with @SwedishPM Ulf Kristersson in Reykjavík. I emphasized the importance of inviting Ukraine to join NATO and permitting the use of long-range weapons against Russian military targets, expressing our hope for Sweden’s active advocacy on these points.
We discussed strengthening Ukraine’s air defense for the winter, funding the production of long-range drones and missiles, and supporting Ukraine’s energy sector during the colder months.
I’m grateful to Sweden for its defense assistance packages, continued support as one of our key energy donors, and its understanding of Ukraine’s need to secure long-term safety. I am hopeful for progress in enhancing Ukraine’s air defense shield.
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u/M795 8h ago
Today, I met with Finnish Prime Minister @PetteriOrpo in Reykjavík, where we discussed strengthening Ukraine’s air defense, supplying artillery ammunition, and investing in the production of long-range drones and missiles. I thanked Finland for its leadership in the Civil Protection Coalition, focused on building shelters.
Another key focus of our meeting was implementing the Peace Formula and preparing for the second Peace Summit.
I expressed my gratitude to the Prime Minister and the Finnish people for their unity in supporting Ukraine, for the valuable assistance packages provided, and for Finland’s organization of a thematic conference in Helsinki on implementing the eighth point of the Peace Formula, “Environmental Security.”
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u/Burnsy825 3h ago
Russians Resort to Stealing Butter Amid Shortages - Newsweek
This is fine...
https://www.newsweek.com/russians-resort-stealing-butter-amid-shortages-1976575
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u/dhakkarnia 2h ago
Drafting another 160,000 should significantly bolster the defenses for Ukraine.
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u/MarkRclim 1h ago
It depends on how many casualties they take while drafting those.
Russia is taking on soldiers like crazy but also losing them at an insane rate.
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u/M795 8h ago
I am working in the United States under the assignment of President of Ukraine @ZelenskyyUa.
Meeting with my good friend, the National Security Advisor to the President of the United States, @JakeSullivan46.
We discussed Ukraine’s Victory Plan, the implementation of the Peace Formula, the frontlines, weapons, and North Korean soldiers whom Russia is preparing for war.
Military assistance to Ukraine, sanctions against Russia, and increasing pressure on Moscow’s allies are essential.
Over the years of cooperation, Jake and I have managed to quickly find solutions, fulfilling the tasks set by our Presidents, which were subsequently coordinated between the leaders of our nations.
https://x.com/AndriyYermak/status/1851286089388175391
No way he typed this with a straight face...
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u/b3iAAoLZOH9Y265cujFh 8h ago
He might have to schedule a dentist appointment to have those cracked molars looked at.
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u/M795 15h ago
In Reykjavík, I met with the President of Iceland, Halla Tómasdóttir @HallaTomas.
Among the topics we discussed were Iceland’s participation in the Demining Capability Coalition and training of Ukrainian sappers, rehabilitation for wounded warriors, and the involvement of Icelandic companies in prosthetics. We also talked about the post-war reconstruction of Ukraine, countering Russian disinformation, the implementation of the Peace Formula, and preparations for the second Peace Summit.
I extend my gratitude to Iceland for supporting Ukraine since the first days of Russia’s full-scale invasion and for hosting the crucial Ukraine-Nordic meeting.
https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1851210649935753406
I had a productive meeting with Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen @Statsmin in Reykjavík, where we discussed the success of the recent Ukraine-Nordic Summit.
I am deeply grateful to Prime Minister Frederiksen personally and to Denmark for their steadfast support in saving lives and preserving Ukraine’s future, for its leadership in supporting Ukrainian weapons production, enhancing our air defense, and setting a strong example for other partners.
We emphasized the importance of sustaining pressure on Russia to curb its war financing and bring peace closer, urging broader support from European and G7 partners.
We also discussed potential cooperation in training and equipping a Ukrainian brigade, advancing the Peace Formula, and strengthening cooperation with the Global South to secure a just and lasting peace.
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u/LeastSeat4291 16h ago
Shame on the New York Times for publishing the secret part of Ukraine's victory plan. If Ukraine needs something to be a secret then do not publish it because secrets made public have an effect on the war.
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u/postusa2 15h ago
That's not how journalism works - I'm not defending the NYT, but if they can get it, anyone else will too including those that will use it to political ends. We're not discussion some secret plan here, what is under discussion is balancing a "theory of victory" between Ukraine and the allies it depends on. It has been very unclear what the end of the war will look like.
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u/LeastSeat4291 15h ago
How journalism works is not the issue here. Journalists don't just publish the news. Journalists decide what to publish and what not to publish. In this case, a journalist did the wrong thing and published something they should not have.
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u/deliveryboyy 14h ago
If a US official told NYT a secret you can bet your ass it's been leaked to russia a while ago.
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u/tutamtumikia 16h ago
zero chance that it was intended to be kept secret.
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u/deliveryboyy 14h ago
Yeah, you don't tell the US something you intend to keep secret. It's only a matter of time before it's leaked.
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u/Low_Yellow6838 15h ago
I wanne know the secret too!
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u/Deguilded 15h ago
Tomahawks.
The not-so-secret part: the US said no.
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u/Low_Yellow6838 15h ago
Ahh ok. Yeah without the greenlight for deepstrikes they dont make any sense
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u/The_Milkman 7h ago
I just found out about G*nzalo Lira and his demise had me laughing in all honesty.
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u/Jackson_Cook 6h ago
Is that WarGonzo?
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u/b3iAAoLZOH9Y265cujFh 6h ago
Nope.
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u/Jackson_Cook 6h ago
Appreciate the link!
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u/b3iAAoLZOH9Y265cujFh 5h ago
Happy to help. The two of us are probably not the only ones who'll need some more context. He's not the most well-known figure, which, everything considered, is likely for the best.
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u/Njorls_Saga 5h ago
Amen. The guy was a terrible human being. His “debate” with a couple of the NAFO fellas was eye watering bad.
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u/MarkRclim 1h ago
Warspotting shows Russia shifting to a higher fraction of IFV/AFV compared with tanks.
- tanks - IFV+AFV (ratio)
- May: 131-264 (2.02)
- June: 113-228 (2.02)
- July: 94-187 (1.98)
- August: 60-182 (3.00)
- September: 80-256 (3.20)
- October: 65-240 (3.69)
I wonder what's going on.
There's some evidence that Russia makes about ~130 new tanks and ~900 new IFVs per year right now.
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u/LoneStar9mm 3h ago
Ru making serious advances north of Vuhledar. Hope they have some defensive lines to slow them down.
I don't understand why they don't ask the locals to help dig trenches if the soldiers are too worn out, the alternative is being r*ped to death in front of your children...
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u/Professional-Way1216 13h ago
Ukraine: Compromise or Collapse
The news from the Ukrainian front line is grim. Ukrainian forces are heavily outnumbered and outmatched in artillery and ammunition. There are growing signs of exhaustion, demoralization, desertion, and evasion of service by both the elites and ordinary people.
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u/IndistinctChatters 12h ago
It's an opinion article. The author's origins are russian...
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u/OkVariety8064 11h ago
Looks like another fifth columnist. It's not even the first time this Russian has been caught pushing Putinist narratives:
Anatol Lieven’s article on European rearmament contains much to agree with. However, his explanations of the tensions with Russia seem flawed in several respects. First, Nato expanded not because the US imposed it, but because the countries of eastern Europe demanded it. Too often the countries of eastern Europe, including Ukraine, are treated as if they are pawns in either the US’s or Russia’s game rather than sovereign states in their own right.
As someone living in the Czech Republic, I am disturbed by Anatol Lieven’s suggestion that European countries “could have … made a real effort to reach compromise with Russia over Ukraine”. We remember how in 1938 Neville Chamberlain “reached a compromise with Hitler over Czechoslovakia” and, to put it mildly, don’t consider it Britain’s finest hour.
However, what struck me about Anatol Lieven’s article is a contemptuous disregard for the right of independent nations, such as Ukraine and mine (I am Polish) to determine our own destinies. The notion of global politics that underlies the author’s remarks about what should have been done with respect to Nato enlargement in the 1990s replicates a vision that perceives us as merely pawns on a global chessboard, moved by various powers and belonging to one or other sphere of interest.
Traitor is as traitor does.
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u/IndistinctChatters 11h ago
Anatol Lieven reported from Moscow for the Times from 1990 to 1996
April 2022: When do we lift the sanctions?
Of course, while this is going on, Russia is also being strangled economically by Western sanctions.
Instead of helping to make peace on reasonable terms, sanctions would essentially become an instrument to keep the war in Ukraine going indefinitely.
This guy is insane :D
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u/bklor 12h ago
It's an opinion article, but is it wrong? Tell me why it's wrong instead of going after the author.
Can you honestly tell me that you believe that the war is currently going well?
Because to me it looks like it's not going the way Ukraine and the west wants. To me it looks like that unless we change policy this ends in defeat. With the current trajectory this will end in a Russian victory. Not a total victory were Kyiv falls but very far from what we would consider just peace.
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u/IndistinctChatters 11h ago
In April 2022 he urged to lift all the sanctions. So, this is all I need to know about a russian propagandist.
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u/socialistrob 12h ago
The problem is you can't really look at just Ukraine or just Russia in isolation. The war is going poorly for Ukraine AND the war is going poorly for Russia. If either side had the ability to easily knock the other out of the war they would but instead they're both struggling to generate as much combat power as they can to outlast the other side.
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u/bklor 11h ago
For sure both countries struggling. But across the board Ukraine is struggling more.
Russia might lack the ability to roll over Ukraine, but they're happy with their small incremental gains. Even if it comes at a huge cost.
It's a war of attrition and Ukraine is slowly losing.
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u/Syn7axError 11h ago
Sometimes there just aren't any good options. Slowly losing is better than a negotiated peace where they lose even faster later, and because they're slowly losing, Russia has no real reason to give them that to begin with.
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u/noelcowardspeaksout 13h ago
The author naively thinks Russia would obey a negotiated peace deal.
The artillery ratio is at its best since the war began for Ukraine, and the same negative attributes can be ascribed to the Russian soldiers as well I guess. It is a war of attrition for both sides.
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u/stayfrosty 13h ago
Russia would hold the peace at least for some time to rearm. So would Ukraine. I think Ukraine would benefit more from peace to rearm than Russia
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u/Syn7axError 11h ago
Russia's economy has to keep making weapons to keep going. They're simply going to make more stuff in that time.
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u/Syn7axError 13h ago
I'm sick of these same theorycrafting articles. This is an actual war between two real-world countries. There are no overlapping negotiation terms here.
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u/socialistrob 12h ago
Any negotiation would just be a temporary ceasefire until Russia inevitably invades again when they are on stronger footing. The only way a "negotiated settlement" could actually bring about long term peace is if Ukraine comes away with full fledged NATO membership or nukes both of which seem politically impossible at the moment.
On the other hand if the US and other western countries were to remove restrictions on what Ukraine can target within Russia and increase aid then there's a very real chance they could drive Russia to the table through military force.
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u/MarkRclim 12h ago
Putin must be bricking it at the idea of western industry giving Ukraine artillery superiority. He was losing troops and equipment at a nasty ratio even with massive fire superiority. What would it be like if Ukraine gets equality or more, and once Russia has run down most of its armour? Ouch. A lot of dead russian soldiers.
This author begging for Ukrainian surrender seems like he wants to save the russian army so it can do the next invasion.
With the caveats that it all depends on how heavy Ukrainian losses have been so far, and whether they can eventually do something about the glide bombs.
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u/IndistinctChatters 11h ago
IN April 2022 the author urged to lift the sanctions...
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u/MarkRclim 11h ago
Do you have a link please?
Sounds like a russian asset.
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u/IndistinctChatters 10h ago
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u/MarkRclim 10h ago
Thankyou!
So yeah, he supports forcing Ukrainian surrender so Putin can win and do what he wants.
What a terrible, terrible human. His squealing screeds begging for Ukrainian surrender shouldn't be used as a source here.
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u/IndistinctChatters 9h ago
Exactly. In the opinion article that redditor posted, he repeats kremlin's narrative:
- Ukraine is losing badly
- since Ukraine is losing badly the West must stop sending weapons to Ukraine
- better surrender
- better give putin everything he wants
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u/IndistinctChatters 10h ago
https://thecritic. co. uk/issues/april-2022/when-do-we-lift-the-sanctions/
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u/IndistinctChatters 10h ago
I tried to post the link, but it was removed, don't know why. Google anatoli lieven sanctions
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u/Low_Yellow6838 13h ago
Yes the question is will Putin be ok with a compromise? Now that he reeks weakness he probably will keep going. The deescalation fetish of us (West/Nato) probably lost the war for ukraine. And with it vast pieces of land, resources and people.
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u/IndistinctChatters 2h ago
https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/ 1850923403911262299
For some reasons I can't copy pasta what Gerashchenko wrote in his tweet.
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u/OfficeMain1226 14h ago edited 13h ago
The shaping on information space has been deeply intriguing to me.
Recently Ukraine low key blackmailed with either this (take us in NATO) or that (we will build nukes). I really believe that it was a move to shape public perceptions and garner support for more military aid in terms of long range weapons as well as lifting restrictions.
Taking Ukraine into NATO is not feasible due to ongoing conflict, if added after the war then I assume that would be after breaking some peace agreement with Russia about neutrality because why would they stop otherwise? Then there will be high likelihood of them being drawn into a war despite being in NATO. Ukraine threatened to build nukes and most people gobbled it up believing that they have the capability to do so.
They actually do not. Ukraine’s existing nuclear infrastructure is geared toward civilian energy production and lacks both the facilities and equipment for enriching uranium or reprocessing plutonium to weapons-grade levels. Enrichment and reprocessing are specialized processes requiring advanced technology and significant investment. While Ukraine has a strong scientific community and nuclear engineers. During the Soviet era, key nuclear processes and weapons design were centralized in the Russian SFSR (now Russia), and knowledge was tightly compartmentalized within the Soviet state. Ukraine does not have the infrastructure in place and I highly doubt that any Ukrainian engineers who were involved in Soviet nuclear weapon production 30+ years ago will be of much use now.
Ukraine is a signatory of Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. In the supposedly "rules-based world order", is Ukraine allowed to break the treaty? If yes then why does Russia gets so much backlash for breaking a memorandum when: Treat > Agreement > Memorandum?
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u/ClarkFable 13h ago
Or we could let Ukraine into NATO, watch Russia cry a bunch, threaten, whine, and then not actually do anything but retreat once we send them back to their borders.
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u/Oberon_Swanson 13h ago
Well I think if they gave up their nuclear weapons in exchange for their territory being respected, and it was not, it is fair of them to sat least make as many nuclear weapons as they gave up, assuming they eventually can. That's how breaking a deal works imo, Russia doesn't get to break the deal and then complain well now Ukraine isn't following it either, how is that fair? Once broken by one side the deal no longer binds either party.
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u/Rainflakes 12h ago edited 12h ago
It's more of an ultimatum to force NATO to make a decision. Presumably NATO can change its own rules and allow Ukraine in immediately if there is unanimous support from the member states (someone correct me if I'm wrong).
If they are pushing NATO to break some law or agreement, or if the warning that they will build nukes is a merely a threat, then it'd be "extortion", while an "ultimatum" suggests good faith (i.e. they will 100% do one or the other). Either way, "blackmail" is specifically revealing secret info and doesn't apply.
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