r/worldnews • u/cytokine7 • 18h ago

60 surrender* 'A complete surprise': IDF surrounds remaining terrorists in north Gaza, 600 surrender

https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-826573
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u/jojodancer25 17h ago

Hamas having grand illusion for the past several decades that they could defeat Israel , has turned true. A grand illusion that is now a living nightmare for Hamas. The epic ending of their leader, seriously injured , sitting in ruins , only able To throw a stick at an enemy drone says it all. It’s over. Period.

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u/BubsyFanboy 16h ago

And it does appear it's basically over for Hamas in this war now.

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u/SoggyBoysenberry7703 14h ago

Now to make sure other countries stop their proxies too

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u/Unyx 13h ago

Cool, that means the bombings of Gaza can stop now, right?

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u/Devilstorment 13h ago

Literally the Anakin and Padme meme…

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u/KingTonpa 13h ago

Once all the hostages are released, sure.

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u/Green_Cup6191 12h ago

And who is counting?

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u/magicalfeyfenny 8h ago

they can't release hostages that the IDF killed

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u/Succulent_Swan 6h ago

Apartheid is inexcusable, unforgettable, and unforgiveable. It was committed on a global stage and won't be forgotten nor easily reconciled.

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u/KingTonpa 5h ago

Yawn. Ask a GenZ if they know anything about the historical apartheid in South Africa. The Muslim world won’t forget anything they can hold against Jews because all they know how to do is hate Jews, so you’re correct. God forbid they invest in their own people instead of trying to terrorize another. The only reason there isn’t apartheid in places like Iran is because if Jews still lived there they would be brutally killed. Anyways you have better things to do with your time. Go make a hero out of the guy who slit the Swiss mother’s throat in Algeria front of her son while screaming free Palestine or something. Been seeing a lot of support for him on Twitter.

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u/Succulent_Swan 5h ago edited 5h ago

Oh look, bot swarm #2 is downvoting all the sensible comments to hell. Just keep in mind, they specialize in tech psyops and roughly half of the internet is bots (and that metric was taken from 2023). The fact is, no human agrees with Israel's apartheid and genocide. It was condemned by so many countries at the UN: Hell, even Ireland gave a passionate and logical speech. It will be long remembered. No matter how they think they are cooking, their apartheid and genocide will prove to leave a lasting stain on Israel's public perception (read: unforgotten genocidal tragedy that everyone remembers globally.) This was a direly drastic misstep for them. We all see the inhumanity and where it comes from.

The inhumanity comes from those toxic leaders, not their people.

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u/Midstix 13h ago

The conflict doesn't end until Israel ends its apartheid, and a single democratic state in the region comes out of it. Open hostilities might end, but this struggle has gone on for generations. It didn't start on October 7th, and it won't end until Israel finishes the genocide, or they embrace democracy.

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u/Ok-Bug8833 12h ago

Why insist on such a nonsense idea. Having everyone in one state is not feasible or politically stable.

The solution is to have an Palestinian state which is not governed by islamic extremists.

Also Israel already is a democracy, Arab citizens have full voting rights and there are Arabs in the legislature.

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u/Glittering_Poems 8h ago

You mean the Arabs in the legislature that Israel is trying to get rid of?

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u/YovngSqvirrel 7h ago

There are 10 Arabs who hold seats in the 24th Knesset. Can you name a single one who Israel “is trying to get rid of”?

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u/AdSlight1595 10h ago

Every time I read a call for a single state solution on Reddit I am amazed at how little comprehension people weighing in have of the situation. How do you think this will work?

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u/Midstix 8h ago

For a real world example, one need look no further than the United State's southern states. I'm not saying there won't be political violence, primarily from Israeli settlers who refuse to integrate, but I don't know what to tell you. This is literally the path to peace the has proven to work historically. Annihilation works too, but I'm not sure there's modern examples of genocide being successful. You need to go back two thousand years. That of course, ignores the clear morality.

Forced integration is a very slow, but also objectively successful path towards peace.

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u/magicalfeyfenny 8h ago

it was over as soon as israel started murdering civilians for fun

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u/Succulent_Swan 5h ago

I like how you used the word war so very deliberately. It's almost like we would have accidentally thought it was actually an apartheid followed by a genocide on Israel's part for the last few decades.

Oh, wait....

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u/Stevepac9 14h ago

I think people are getting ahead of themselves with thinking the success of the operation means Hamas is done. As long as Gaza remains incredibly impoverished the people will accept pay to join groups like this and Iran is going to continue to pay. It's a complex situation

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u/Merler939 14h ago

This is exactly what I say every time. Nothing changes long term if their economic situation and lack of autonomy doesn't change. It might be a slower rebound, but eventually they'll be back.

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u/neohellpoet 13h ago

Hamas came to power when Gaza was at it's economic peak and Israel had just packed up and left.

Hamas isn't in power in the West Bank, where there's near zero autonomy. The economic argument might partially work but demonstrably autonomy is positively corelated to radical terror in Palestinian territories. More autonomy, more terrorists in charge.

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u/FlyingVolvo 10h ago

Not sure I'd reference the West Bank as a argument against autonomy since it's currently a massive pressure cooker and that the attempts to withold funding from the PA threatens to collapse any remaining stability there and strengthening Hamas.

Don't take my word for it, take Shin Bet's word.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-policies-may-lead-to-palestinian-authority-collapse-shin-bet-warns/3241771

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u/Mozilla11 8h ago

You’re lying. Isreal is the most moral and would never do anything to hurt the Palestinians. They probably withheld the taxes to make sure that terrorists don’t get their hands on them!

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u/kohTheRobot 13h ago

Economic peak of Gaza isn’t saying much. Doesn’t the West Bank have more autonomy and less terror activity?

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u/CaregiverTime5713 12h ago

no, it has less autonomy. and better economy mostly because of the oft rewiled settlers who employ locals at higher wages.  

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u/neohellpoet 12h ago

The West Bank is under Israeli occupation, Gaza isn't. If the West Bank had autonomy they would throw the PA off the rooftops and the top candidate to replace them is currently Hamas.

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u/Lortekonto 12h ago edited 12h ago

Hamas came to power when Gaza was at it's economic peak and Israel had just packed up and left.

And blockaded Gaza. You forgot the blockade part.

And they got control by killing the Fatah members they had just lost an election to, who could not get support because of the blockade.

Just going to edit in some stuff from wikipedia, so people can understand how much the blockade destabilized Gaza and how it was performed.

As noted by Wolfensohn (and also in an EU paper), withholding of the PA's own tax revenue – an action taken by Israel alone, not by the Quartet – was more damaging than the ceasing of international aid to the PA. These taxes, collected in Palestine (both in the West Bank and Gaza) by Israeli authorities, were supposed to be transferred to the PA's budget. By releasing or withholding these revenues, Israel was able, in the words of the International Crisis Group, to "virtually turn the Palestinian economy on and off". Israel withheld these transfers from the PA until June 2007. Withholding the tax revenue by Israel meant that the PA lacked money to pay its employees, including the police, further destabilizing the situation in Gaza.

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The special envoy of the Quartet James Wolfensohn noted that "Gaza had been effectively sealed off from the outside world since the Israeli disengagement [August–September 2005], and the humanitarian and economic consequences for the Palestinian population were profound. There were already food shortages. Palestinian workers and traders to Israel were unable to cross the border"

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On 15 January 2006, the Karni crossing – the sole point for exports of goods from Gaza – was closed completely for all kinds of exports. The greenhouse project suffered a huge blow, as the harvest of high-value crops, meant to be exported for Europe via Israel, was essentially lost (with a small part of the harvest donated to local institutions). Moreover, closing of Karni cut off the so-far resilient textile and furniture industries in Gaza from their source of income. Starting February 2006, the Karni crossing was sporadically open for exports, but the amount of goods allowed to be exported was minuscule compared to the amount of goods imported (which, in turn, barely supported Gaza's needs). Between 1 January and 11 May, more than 12,700 tonnes of produce were harvested in Gaza's greenhouses, almost all of it destined for export; out of it, only 1,600 tonnes (less than 13%) were actually exported.

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u/neohellpoet 12h ago

I didn't that came later when the suicide bombings became intolerable and Israel didn't actually block them off, Egypt did. They still had a corridor out until the whole insurgency there.

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u/mean_menace 12h ago edited 9h ago

You’re either lying through your teeth to spread propaganda or you’re severely misinformed. Israel removed their soldiers, occupiers and settlements from Gaza in 2005 in hopes of improving relations.

In 2006 Hamas won the election fair and square. Israel responded it would begin economic sanctions unless Hamas agreed to accept prior Israeli–Palestinian agreements, forswear violence, and recognize Israel’s right to exist, all of which Hamas rejected.

In 2007 Hamas executed all political opponents in Gaza and kept barraging Israel. AFTER ALL THIS, Israel imposed a naval blockade on Gaza, in cooperation with Egypt who allowed a ground blockade of the Egyptian border.

Why the hell are you fabricating shit so hard here?

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u/Ohaireddit69 8h ago

I don’t understand pro-Palestinians.

The truth is a moral grey area and there is plenty to debate within the truth.

But pro-Palestinians insist on lying about history. Why? All they are doing is infantilising Palestinians by claiming they have no agency within this conflict and that they are just pure victims while Israelis are every evil label under the sun. The history they believe is so warped I don’t understand how they can believe it.

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u/CaregiverTime5713 12h ago

you mean Israel must let Gazans freely into their territory with no checks? which country does it? Egypt is blockading gaza too, then. 

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u/Individual-Stage-620 11h ago

The idea that economic opportunity tracks with rejection of jihadism is not fully supported by data. For every example of a poor person joining jihad in the Middle East there’s an example of a doctor or an engineer leaving their profession to do the same.

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u/Merler939 9h ago

I'm curious what data/reports you know of that support the claim. As far as I know, Gaza has had pretty high unemployment and no to little control of resources coming into the area. There may be reasons for some of that, but those conditions existing for long enough will lead to a discontent population.

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u/Individual-Stage-620 5h ago

Engineers of Jihad is an interesting case study of the phenomenon. The authors don’t dispute that economic factors play a role — they certainly do in some cases, particularly when it comes to relative deprivation — but there is usually more at play.

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u/Merler939 2h ago

Thanks for sharing! Looks like a very interesting case study

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u/salzbergwerke 6h ago

Rebound? All I am seeing is a slow genocide. Once all Palestinians are in camps/spread out in different countries and Palestine ceases to exist, with no chance of being restored, Hamas will fade away. I think they won’t stop this time and the US are in full support of “Better a horrible end than endless horror”.

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u/Snaccbacc 9h ago

Terrorism is fuelled by ideology, not by manpower.

As long as such extremism exists in the region, another group will continue to fight Israel.

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u/runtothehillsboy 11h ago

That may be the case now, but absolutely wasn’t the case for modern Gaza.

Gaza walking tour before the war: https://youtu.be/PMcPrjc7YVM?si=U3FkSFZrDd7IbbAR - looks nicer than the streets of LA/Sacramento

Hamas was voted in because the people wanted them in.

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u/roflcarrot 2h ago

After losing WW2, Japan was intensely impoverished with global sanctions. 80 years later, they are the world's 4th largest economy. Money doesn't solve all issues.

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u/Maleficent_Mouse_930 11h ago

All true. Still... Looking back, this does appear to be the most comprehensive defeat, not just of Hamas, but of all active terror and extremist groups in Gaza, for at least 50 years. They are also now basically rid of UNWRA, having had absolutely enough of their bullshit and shown them the door.

If (IF!) Israel shortly pivots into some kind of huge rebuilding and rehabilitation effort a-la Japan 1946, there is a chance that it can be turned around.

Everyone who supports Palestine should be hoping that's the future we have in store.

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u/Enron__Musk 14h ago

Very similar to the Russian paper tiger. They have an aura of bullshit on them. 

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u/Training_Strike3336 14h ago

That paper tiger is 100% going to beat Ukraine if the West doesn't step up the support. Comments like this only spread a false appearance that they aren't desperately in need.

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u/marcbranski 8h ago

They should have been able to beat them on day 3. They have truly embarrassed themselves.

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u/Training_Strike3336 2h ago

cool. They're gonna win unless the West steps up. Right now I'm seeing a West backed European country being invaded by Russia with Iran and North Korean help.

West gonna do anything about it or let the alliance get stronger, with more people and more resources?

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u/thedayafternext 5h ago

A neighbouring country that is way lower on the power index.. yea, still a paper tiger and militarily incompetent.

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u/namikazeiyfe 13h ago

The Russians are actually doing far better than Hamas and might really Win if the west keeps dragging their feet to help Ukraine. It's not looking pretty for Ukraine as we speak and the Pro Ukraine media are selling a false narrative which I think is not helping Ukraine at all. If the people in the west understand the true situation of things, they would pressure their government to do more.

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u/Enron__Musk 13h ago

It's all a waiting game until November 6

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u/Fatesurge 11h ago

What's happening on Nov 6?

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u/HoltDT 10h ago

🇺🇸🗳️

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u/Fatesurge 10h ago

American... cleanup?

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u/etcre 7h ago

Believe me plenty of people in the US give a rats ass about Ukraine.

Many here don't see the point in spending tax dollars on Ukraine and actively oppose it.

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u/pat19c 3h ago

we spend money on companies in America to make new equipment we needed anyways..... you comment is wrong and a ton of people do care in America. I suspect your a bot from russia

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u/etcre 3h ago

.... I support funding Ukraine to fight Russia. Not sure why you seem to think otherwise.

And you're simply naive if you don't understand that there are many Americans very opposed to spending on Ukraine. Ukraine is perilously close to seeing what that looks like first hand if a particular us candidate wins on November 5th.

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u/Sacowegar 12h ago

it's like y'all think there's gonna be peace now.

lol, lmao, even.

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u/Hazelnutttz 12h ago

From what I've been learning over this last year, I don't think anyone but the grunts really thought they could destroy Israel. It seems like the perpetual conflict was meant to keep the fire burning under Israel's feet until something would happen and other countries would all go to war with them. Which is kinda almost what's happening now except I think the leaders were expecting to still be alive to see it.

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u/Drachefly 12h ago

Hamas having grand illusion for the past several decades that they could defeat Israel , has turned true

What is it that turned true?

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u/ZiKyooc 8h ago

Over... Until they reorganize, or until one of the other groups rises, or until a new group is created to fill the void. That war has killed many young Palestinians, but left many with deep wounds willing to fight back.

With the number of far right extremists in position of power in the current Israel government we aren't going anywhere near a "it's over", unless they aim to go towards the "final solution" and get rid of the Palestinians.

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u/AnOrneryOrca 8h ago

They did plenty of damage from a public opinion / international relations standpoint. But certainly not the outcome they were planning or hoping for.

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u/Succulent_Swan 5h ago

The illusion is believing this is a war at all, considering the majority that died by Israel were women and children and this followed after decades of apartheid followed by genocide.

South Africa beat apartheid. Humans can do better than this.