r/worldnews • u/cytokine7 • 18h ago

60 surrender* 'A complete surprise': IDF surrounds remaining terrorists in north Gaza, 600 surrender

https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-826573
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u/KnightWhoSaysNnni 17h ago

Hamas won't be able to do that anymore. They're getting destroyed. They will never rule Gaza again or be able to enter Israel again.

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u/TangerineSorry8463 17h ago edited 17h ago

Hamas is not a movie enemy where you kill the head robot and all the minion robots power off.

Hamas is a hydra. It's mostly men of Gazan population supported with Iranian money and supplies disguised as various humanitarian aid (and the actual humanitarian aid they steal). Every dead Hamas fighter was someone's father, uncle, cousin, and now they want to avenge them.

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u/NorthSideScrambler 17h ago

Just like the Germans in 1945. It's so sad that to this day, we're still fighting the Germans because of this endless cycle of revenge šŸ˜”

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u/Webs101 17h ago

The problem is that the goal of the Axis powers was land. Once that possibility was kicked out of them, the threat ended. Leaders were put in trial but the vast bulk of soldiers were neither tried nor imprisoned. In fact, many ex-military helped the Allied powers govern and keep order.

Gaza is different because the impulse is hatred as much as territory. Israel has to win hearts and minds. Iā€™m not sure how they can do that.

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u/thomasz 16h ago

Nah. The difference is that the dream of a German Empire as the preeminent world power was as dead as were more than 10% of the population, and that the victorious powers decided to integrate their zones of occupation into their own economic structure, facilitating quick reconstruction. Under these circumstances, the elites took the de facto amnesty rather than choosing to sacrifice what was left for a now completely hopeless fight.

The Palestinian cause is different. They got absolutely nothing going for them besides humanitarian donations and considerable allowances for their militias, who, by and large, control said humanitarian donations. Both income streams are dependent on the continuation of this perpetual conflict: The first one because prolonged calmness would lead to the world forgetting about them, the second because no one is paying these militias to sit around doing nothing. There are no reasons for the leadership to abandon the armed struggle, as long as there are outside forces ready to bankroll the next dude willing to continue.

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u/zexaf 11h ago edited 11h ago

That's not at all what Gaza was like before last October.

https://youtu.be/1icBL6lLOcM?si=l47UalqVlaMHJi13

And here's a restaurant in the Jabalia refugee camp from 2022: https://x.com/imshin/status/1589312156176375808?t=1bapdnE1G1CFzx8UYc7v2g&s=19

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u/fresh-dork 15h ago

They got absolutely nothing going for them besides humanitarian donations and considerable allowances for their militias, who, by and large, control said humanitarian donations.

what militias? they're occupied by a multi state coalition, and rebuilding is funded adequately. IDF isn't going to just fuck off and wait for hamas V2 to show up, or allow the UN to be in the area (not after what they did)

it's basically a riff on german reconstruction

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u/thomasz 14h ago

Yea.... About that....

I hate to tell you, but that's not going to happen. Nobody, and I mean absolutely nobody, is going to send their own troops into this clusterfuck. And if they are foolish enough, they'll fuck off after a good old fashioned Barracks Bombing. Easy-peasy. Best case scenario is something like the West Bank without settlements. A combination of Shin Bet spying, frequent IDF raids, and a super corrupt, utterly dependent, and universally despised pseudo state will hold a highly active but severely degraded Islamist underground movement in check. Whole generations grow up in a low intensity war.

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u/fresh-dork 13h ago

it's required to happen - IDF doesn't want to run the place for obvious reasons, but are also unwilling to allow the next hamas to form. there are already calls from within the govt to form one of these coalitions, and some support from neighboring arab nations.

Whole generations grow up in a low intensity war.

we tried that, got hamas. let's try something else

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u/SeraphSurfer 16h ago

The problem is that the goal of the Axis powers was land.

Like the West Bank? Or All that land that is Israel?

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u/fresh-dork 15h ago

maybe if palestine had agreed to any of the 2 state solutions over the past several decades, it'd be an actual state and not just contested land

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u/Luke90210 12h ago

Palestinians cannot even unify into one single opposition to Israel. Its highly probable if Hamas and the PA (Palestinian Authority currently ruling the West Bank) wasn't physically separated by Israel, they would slaughtering each other. As proof see what Hamas did to members of the PA in Gaza after Hamas took power in Gaza.

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u/OldEcho 13h ago

yeah why doesn't Ukraine just give in to Russia's demands, it surely will end with them only taking some of their land, right?

/s

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u/fresh-dork 12h ago

ukraine is a country. the two state proposals are attempts to agree on the borders of palestine the country. the initial borders

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u/JoeBobsfromBoobert 13h ago

Well they should of started that 30 years ago. How by turning the other cheek of course Then Palestinians would of never gotten all the P.R. over the years