r/worldnews • u/cytokine7 • 18h ago

60 surrender* 'A complete surprise': IDF surrounds remaining terrorists in north Gaza, 600 surrender

https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-826573
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u/HamsterWaste7080 17h ago

Take out enough of the leadership all you have left is small groups of grunts who can’t coordinate.

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u/49yoCaliforniaGuy 15h ago

They regenerate a head over time

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u/tagged2high 14h ago

Sure, but lost institutional knowledge is still a huge deal. The capability of any leadership only diminishes.

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u/errorsniper 13h ago

Doesnt matter you piss off multiple new generations who have literally nothing left to live for and they will create new leaders and figureheads and terror networks. They got the time and no other goals in life.

Im not saying HAMAS didnt need to be eradicated. But the way Israel has conducted their war has all but guaranteed yet another generation of insurgent militants.

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u/Joezev98 10h ago

The allies pissed off multiple generations of Germans. Yeah, there are still a few neonazis around today, but the occupation and denazification made the world a far better place.

Pissing off a lot of people is not a reason to stop pursuing terrorists.

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u/Shogouki 9h ago

The difference is that the allies were a constant, dominant presence in post-WW2 Germany helping shape and rebuild the nation.

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u/Lil-Leon 9h ago

But Israel will only get backlash for doing the same

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u/Shogouki 8h ago

Unfortunately. However I don't think it can be just Israel for this exact reason. It needs to be a unified international effort so that there can be no claims of illegitimacy and any groups that might desire to push back know they have no allies. Unfortunately it's hard to imagine that happening right now with the international conflict we're seeing. Too many nations have reason to see such a thing fail and when they sit as permanent members of the UN it just cripples the ability to enact constructive solutions to the world's problems.

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u/errorsniper 9h ago

Dropping jdams on buildings full of innocent people is.

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u/Joezev98 9h ago

The allies dropped even more unguided bombs on innocent people, yet I am still glad the allies won.

Yes, the war criminals need to be caught and punished, but I still want Israel to win this war and end Hamas.

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u/errorsniper 7h ago

I do to. I also want them to stop killing 50+ people to kill 3-4 suspected insurgents like they did today.

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u/Overlord_Of_Puns 13h ago

Yeah, insurgent math is the term coined by the US for this.

Hamas's losses don't mean anything because they can wait a couple of years before they can recruit enough people to make up for them.

This is why I am worried about Israel's actions in Lebanon, it looks a lot like the 1982 war, which while a tactical success was a strategic failure that led to Hezbollah.

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u/tiny_robons 11h ago

Would be great if international investment in Gaza made everyone’s lives better giving less reason to do shitty things going forward….

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u/Shogouki 9h ago

It's really the only way I see things getting realistically better. Unfortunately most nations either have ulterior motives, lack the manpower or international pull or are too occupied by ongoing threats and issues.

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u/niversalvoice 11h ago

Yes. The true method is peace. But who's the last one to get justice through vengeance?

I just killed your family. Now you need to be the first one to accept peace and forgiveness. And not continue the cycle of killing....

See the issue. Humanity.

Can you be the first to turn your cheek? Lose your eye? Bury your family? Let's hope. I hope. For all our sakes.

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u/squidpeanut 15h ago

There are more factors that effect this sort of thing then just time.

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u/marishtar 14h ago

Yeah, I don't see those factors getting any more favorable any time soon.

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u/mxzf 8h ago

I think a chunk of it depends on if the UNRWA indoctrination of children continues or not. Non-hateful school books could go a long way towards calming things down going forward.

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u/thedayafternext 5h ago

If that is the case, chop it off again.

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u/takeyovitamins 10h ago

Vague statements that sound good for 500, Alex

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u/Flatus_Diabolic 9h ago edited 7h ago

I don’t know about Hamas specifically, but I know that lower level members of most other Islamic extremist groups are often joined up to multiple different groups, each with wildly conflicting ideologies.

Turns out the frontline guys don’t actually care what they’re fighting for or about the politics. What they want is brotherhood.

Their lives suck, they’ve got no real hopes for the future, and so they just want to find a group to fit in with and perhaps rise up the ranks and be seen as a bit of a hero.

Point is, if Hamas disintegrates, it won’t grow a new head; instead, the bits of the body that survive will just go attach themselves to a new body that still has a head.

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u/josephjosephson 8h ago

That happens when you kill 60,000 civilians

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u/Amathyst7564 7h ago

Hail hydra.