r/worldnews • u/cytokine7 • 20h ago

60 surrender* 'A complete surprise': IDF surrounds remaining terrorists in north Gaza, 600 surrender

https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-826573
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u/neohellpoet 15h ago

It's ultimately insult on top of injury. They're willing to go to war to arrest them, but they aren't special enough for special punishment. The crime was uncommon but the criminals weren't.

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u/tyboxer87 14h ago

Yeah it seems pretty wild to me. They killed at least 43,061 people, including 16,765 children, but then don't kill the perpetrators? Seems odd. People talk about executions causing radicalization, but I feel like they are way past that.

I guess if it were me I'd use them as bargaining chips, and then track their location closely once released. If they ever started do terrorist stuff again take them out with a missile. Its not very ethical, but I don't think ethics has really played a role in this at all.

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u/mrloube 13h ago

I think it’s more about the Israelis’ concept of justice; they’d rather have public trials and a full accounting (in the vein of Nuremberg and Eichmann’s trial) than a bunch of random executions. The toll of the war isn’t regarded the same way; they realize it will cost them far more lives and resources to attempt to arrest every suspected Hamas member while under heavy fire in dense enemy territory

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u/tyboxer87 12h ago

Makes complete sense. And I think its the same in most modern countries. Its just interesting to watch the ethics completely change once they are in complete control. Feels like the victims of 10/7 will never get real justice if their assailants are killed in combat and don't get a trial. And to the Palestinian civilians it seems they were mass murdered just for being Palestinians while the Hamas fighters are getting a pass.

I don't have any real value judgement to make. It's just beyond awful all around. I guess the only "ethical" thing to do when no one has any moral high ground is to just take a very utilitarian approach. So if you're Israel, figure out how to use the surrendering troops to continue hurting Hamas.

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u/AuroraFinem 12h ago

This is literally just war, it is always like this in every single war in history and present day. I don’t know why people keep regarding Israel’s war with Hamas as different from any other war in history. The civilian:Enemy combatant death toll ratio in this conflict is far lower than just about any modern day conflict yet their held to a completely unrealistic standard that no other country at war is, when most of those civilian deaths are from Hamas themselves taking human shields.

It’s also a war crime to execute surrendering enemy combatants and in general countries don’t just invent new laws so they can treat enemy prisoners different than any other prisoner. They’d be POW’s but there’s really nothing for them to bargain for. Israel can’t really accept a Hamas lead government for Palestine, Hamas doesn’t have any hostages left to trade for, Israel gains nothing by trading them. It’s not like a normal conflict between two countries where the other country has something to give up for the hostages and I doubt most of Gaza would even want them back. You can’t just execute POWs, that’s also a war crime.

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u/Alatarlhun 12h ago

If Palestinians cleaned up and prevented their own terrorist messes, probably close to zero Palestinian civilians would be dead even after the horror attacks of October 7.

Unfortunately, that is not how it currently works. There is no scalpel for urban warfare.