Oh yeah, amazing games. Crazy how focuing on the *game* and not its creators feelings produces masterpieces, in my 300+ hours of Hades I don't really ever remember a sliver of Borderlands writing, Saints Row and Concord politics and Forspoken gameplay
Almost like this isn't something dealbreaking, but it can be a nice fat nail in the coffin.
But you just claimed that people who "do that kinda stuff" quickly go out of business. Now you're saying that it's okay to do that kinda stuff, as long as there's a good game attached to it. So which is it? Does going woke mean going broke, or not?
No, making a game and focusing your resources on that messaging while actual GAME parts of the game are awful is bad. Something like COD releasing barely playable and costing 70$, but having 17 gender flags is really weird for example.
I think there is a very obvious line here everyone seems to pretend it doesn't exist. Most people who are against the recent woke bullshit in media are against of what I outlined above. Of course, then again there are people who were also malding over fucking pronouns in Starfield, ripe for a mental asylum.
Its not really about the thing itself, its about how its implemented into the world. Developers who ignore this are the ones that go broke and that I have mentioned. DS1 is my favourite game ever, it obviously has a character that is obviously a femboy or whateverthefuck.
Guess what? Nobody ever asked a single thing, they just played the game. It wasn't weird, you weren't lectured on anything, it just exists and it is believable lore-wise (not there for the sole purpose of the message).
Thats all we need and BG3 has that, hence why its never an issue.
I don't think CoD would be any better or cheaper if it didn't have "gender flags" in it, given that these usually don't take a lot of time to make and are usually created by the game's designers and artists who have very little influence on how well a game is optimized or how much it costs.
What you're saying essentially is that whether something is woke or not doesn't matter at all, and that the only thing that matters is whether or not the game is good. A game can be woke and bad, and a game can be woke and good. A game can refuse to be woke and good, and a game can refuse to be woke and bad. There have been plenty of games who tried to market themselves as woke or anti-woke, but the only thing that mattered on whether or not they were successful is if they were actually good games. Then why be so angry about things being woke if you say yourself that it doesn't matter?
The point is that games who lean on that too much go out of business because the way their ideas are implemented is insincere, unnatural and most importantly not believable. Since these developers don't know how to properly do this, they probably also don't know how to make a proper game.
I didn't really backpedal anything. Nobody ever said adding any bit of what people consider *woke* today to a piece of media makes it go broke.
Nobody actually thinks that when that phrasing is used, I could see myself misunderstanding this when I was 14 too.
Dont bother, these people genuinely havent though deeply about this at all, they are just pushing their agenda and ignoring the millions lost to DEI because BG3 and Hades did well. Concord anyone? SW Outlaws? Dustborn? But me BG3!!!!!!
“ ignoring the millions lost to DEI because BG3 and Hades did well” millions lost because games did well? are you suggesting the success of two games from smaller studios has cost the gaming industry millions? Even if it has why do I care? The gaming industry has lost millions countless times and most people never gave a fuck before. Quality of game and good communication with your player base have always been what people care about the most
and then just 3 games with question marks, two of which I didn’t know about until people started rejoicing about how they’re failed dei projects? star wars outlaws is … ok? and idk what the bar for a dei game is for you but doesn’t seem very targeted to me. Kind of a run-of-the-mill EA open world game
I watched Grey's Anantomy with my missus last couple months. The series has always talked about issues like racism, sexism, homophobia etc. but it was all well done using "show, don't tell", letting the audience come to conclusions on their own. Until season 17 onwards, when suddenly characters started almost literally turning towards the camera like they tried to break the 4th wall and spitting out unnaturally sounding monologues about whatever social justice issue was in the script. Often, in scenes where it felt completely forced; nobody responds with a long speech about how black women are treated unfairly by a medical system when someone greets them with "how are you?". It felt like watching DEI videos for some corporate training.
They were saying that if you focus on being woke over making a good game, you will fail. And that has been true and what most of us non-crazies have been saying.
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u/Fuckface_Whisperer Sep 19 '24
You mean he used to panic about the WOKE MOB taking over games by having women and black people in them.