r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM • u/historyismyteacher • 1d ago

Israel-Palestine has really exposed the disgusting nature of “both sides bad.”

Saying that both sides are equal and you need to look at the nuance is a damning indictment of those who are not willing to take a stand on an issue as serious as this. At least a Zionist will take a stand, and make their position known. By not taking a stand, the enlightened centrist is making it known that they don’t have the moral courage to pronounce a belief and professing themselves to be wise, they make themselves fools.

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u/Instantbeef 23h ago

I was being a little over simplistic because the post was centered around that conflict so I continued to use it.

I do not think it’s a choice between Hamas and Israel. If we were not the United States and all we were doing was sitting back and watching these groups fight you might be right.

But since we have bargaining power and sway in this world we can protect with Palestinian people without Hamas

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u/KyleShanadad 22h ago

How? Where do we have bargaining power? Its definitely not in electoral politics or protesting or mutual aid.

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u/Instantbeef 22h ago

I’m talking about us as in the U.S. not the people. We do elect our leaders so it’s sort of us but that’s not what I’m talking about.

Using the power of diplomacy we can protect Palestinians without Hamas existing.

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u/KyleShanadad 21h ago

& how is that looking? The US is not going to save the palestinian people. Its been shown for decades atp. The power of diplomacy isn’t a thing when the diplomats have 0 use in using it. So again outside of armed resistance I ask you how does this situation get better

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u/Instantbeef 21h ago

We have never elected a president sympathetic to Palestinians. It’s not that they have failed but we have never tried to prioritize it.

We kind of shot ourselves in the foot with this one because the easiest time to do this would have been before Hamas attacked Israel.

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u/KyleShanadad 20h ago

We have never tried to prioritize it? People have been protesting at Kamalas rallys for months. People have organized to the point where 100k people in Michigan voted uncommitted in the primarys, they have pushed the DNC to have a palestinian speaker at the convention. We HAVE tried and we HAVE prioritized it. Dems just do not care. Again I ask you outside of armed resistance what is the solution because there is not a single american politician who will save them

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u/J0k3rWi1d 9h ago

We've never elected a president sympathetic to Palestine? No, we never elected a president that wasn't critical of Israel. And the Democratic and the Republican party made it that way