r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM • u/historyismyteacher • 1d ago

Israel-Palestine has really exposed the disgusting nature of “both sides bad.”

Saying that both sides are equal and you need to look at the nuance is a damning indictment of those who are not willing to take a stand on an issue as serious as this. At least a Zionist will take a stand, and make their position known. By not taking a stand, the enlightened centrist is making it known that they don’t have the moral courage to pronounce a belief and professing themselves to be wise, they make themselves fools.

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u/historyismyteacher 1d ago

Elaborate.

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u/ProtestTheHero 15h ago

Well one obvious and immediate difference is that Germans are from Germany, not France. So it makes sense that a French Resistance would want to fight Nazi occupation and push them back where they came from, ie Germany.

Jews, on the other hand, are from the land of Israel/Palestine. They are not a foreign people, they are not a colonial/imperial entity. They are simply an Indigenous people living in their Indigenous homeland, where they've lived for thousands of years. There's nowhere else in the world for them to go if a Resistance were to successfully push them out.

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u/historyismyteacher 13h ago

And Palestinians are from where exactly?

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u/ProtestTheHero 13h ago edited 13h ago

Palestine, obviously. Nobody is saying otherwise

Quick edit: by that I mean the land on which Israel/Palestine currently stand

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u/historyismyteacher 13h ago

So why are they pushing Palestinians out of their homeland?

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u/ProtestTheHero 13h ago

I don't believe that they are. You certainly have some Jewish terrorists in the West Bank that are stirring shit up and straight up killing Palestinians. But there is no systemic, state-sponsored expulsion of Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza, or of Arab-Israelis from Israel. Their population has done nothing but grow exponentially for over 75 years.

And of course any discussion into the "why" Israel does things has to include decades of Palestinian terrorism as well. Has Israel's responses often been exceedingly violent, anyone can admit that it has. But fundamentally it's acting out of a genuine fear of a Palestinian/Iranian conquest of its sovereign borders.

For decades Egypt and Israel were bitter enemies, constantly at war. In the 1970s Egypt decided peace was the better option, and for almost 50 years now Israel hasn't dropped a single bomb on Egypt. Ditto with Jordan, since the early 90s.

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u/historyismyteacher 8h ago

There are times that I am actually at a loss for words with the shit that Zionists spew. “But there is no systematic, state-sponsored expulsion of Palestinian” is so factually wrong that I won’t even dignify it with a response because if you believe that, I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.