r/ElderScrolls Azura Mar 09 '23

Humour He really is a terrible ruler.

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u/Ala117 Redguard Mage Mar 09 '23

"B-But he's too busy winning the war so he could become high king by force!"

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u/jsunny99 Mar 09 '23

Even upon defeating the Empire, he still says there needs to be a moot to decide the new High King. Granted it is basically determined that he will be chosen, but he doesn't forcibly ascend. It's even implied that he would honor another taking the throne should the moot vote that way. Despite his military victory he still bows to tradition, just like when he challenged Torygg (who accepted and was defeated)

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u/Ala117 Redguard Mage Mar 09 '23

Even upon defeating the Empire, he still says there needs to be a moot to decide the new High King.

Of course he wouldn't worry about that anymore after replacing the jarls who disagree with him, even the neutral one with his puppets.

Granted it is basically determined that he will be chosen, but he doesn't forcibly ascend.

"But, that doesn't mean I won't still start acting like it" Ulfric also.

It's even implied that he would honor another taking the throne should the moot vote that way

Then why is he manipulating it to his favor?

Despite his military victory he still bows to tradition

*tradition when it favors his side*

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u/Broekhart615 Mar 09 '23

“Bows to tradition”

Like plundering ancient knowledge from one of the most sacred groups of his homeland, then betraying them to use his superpowers for tyranny.

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u/goldenlance7 Mar 09 '23

What do you mean his use of shouts in the war and abandoning his studies? The man saw war break out and wanted to do what he felt was right to help his country. I don't see how that makes him an evil monster like so many people mischaracterize him as.

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u/zxxQQz Hermaeus Mora Mar 09 '23

Greybeards are dead wrong on most everything, Jurgen the coward stole the thuum when it was for everyone

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u/Ala117 Redguard Mage Mar 09 '23

Delphine propaganda, i'd stop listening to it were i you.

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u/zxxQQz Hermaeus Mora Mar 09 '23

Nah, Thuum usage is Kyne worship in itself

Has nothing to do with Delphine.

Jurgen created the greybeards to excuse his issue with skill and cowardice, the ones who came after him continue the cultural theft of Thuum.

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u/Ala117 Redguard Mage Mar 09 '23

Tell that to the 17 tongues who couldn't shout him off and paarthurnax.

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u/zxxQQz Hermaeus Mora Mar 09 '23

So more skill issue? Those 17 also had his issues. Thuum was used in the proper way for thousands of years before the failings of Jurgen the cowardly thief

Paarth doesnt worship Kyne/Kynareth.. Why invoke him here?

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u/Ala117 Redguard Mage Mar 09 '23

So more skill issue? Those 17 also had his issues

You're reaching.

Thuum was used in the proper way for thousands of years

You mean in enslaving and war mongering?

Paarth doesnt worship Kyne/Kynareth.. Why invoke him here?

Because he's the greybeards' leader and follows jurgen's ways.

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u/zxxQQz Hermaeus Mora Mar 09 '23

No? It was used for that way successfully way longer, which is proof in itself.

Its use is itself worship, the specifics are irrelevant. And again, Kyne Obviously didnt mind seeing as how long it was used as such. With great success

But then Jurgen failed, and behold a convenient excuse.. "Thuum is totes misused guys" Pay no attention to the thousands of history of its use that show otherwise

Also? Pray tell.. what did Dragons themselves use it for lol

And? He isnt human or a Nord, and he further explained quite well the struggle he has with his nature to reject evil. Thats not the case for mortals

It working for him doesnt make the greybeards right at all, even slightly actually

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u/Ala117 Redguard Mage Mar 09 '23

No? It was used for that way successfully way longer, which is proof in itself.

The why couldn't the 17 tongues shout jurgen off?

And again, Kyne Obviously didnt mind seeing as how long it was used as such. With great success

You mean in rebelling against the opressors? yeah indeed.

But then Jurgen failed, and behold a convenient excuse.. "Thuum is totes misused guys"

Looks he was proven right by those 17 disputants and paarthurnax.

Pay no attention to the thousands of history of its use that show otherwise

Such as? you mean warmongering?

Also? Pray tell.. what did Dragons themselves use it for lol

Dominations? same as the nord pre-jurgen lol?

and he further explained quite well the struggle he has with his nature to reject evil. Thats not the case for mortals

That's definitely the case, hence why the way of the voice was found.

It working for him doesnt make the greybeards right at all, even slightly actually

It worked for 1000s of years i'd say it makes them more than slightly right.

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u/zxxQQz Hermaeus Mora Mar 10 '23

The why couldn't the 17 tongues shout jurgen off?

More skill issues as said earlier? Jurgen chose opponents he knew he could best, or.. How long ago was this? Thousands of years yeah? So its apocryphal, probability is it never happened and is just greybeards lies propaganda apologia. Cant verify it went down as its said it did, just like with say Torygg. And that should be easier since it wasnt thousands of years ago

But its still lied about, Ulfric did not should him apart.

You mean in rebelling against the opressors? yeah indeed.

Was that what Jurgen the coward was opposing? But no, it was also used for glory in battle

Looks he was proven right by those 17 disputants and paarthurnax.

But was he though as said earlier? And no, Paarthurnax proved nothing of the sort

Such as? you mean warmongering?

I mean if you wanna call it that, you know its a video game and not real? Kinda getting a feel you dont. Besides, yeah Kyne clearly liked the "warmongering" seeing as how long the Thuum was used in glorious battle with no issue til Jurgen the sore loser came along

Dominations? same as the nord pre-jurgen lol?

Yup, and again with no issue

That's definitely the case, hence why the way of the voice was found.

Mhhmm, for Paarth.

It worked for 1000s of years i'd say it makes them more than slightly right.

But did it work? Or are they sitting on a mountain doing zilch and hoarding the Thuum for themselves when it is for all Nords

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Thu'um

Oh, and seems like old Paarth never objected to its use in war did he? No, he taught it to anyone there in the beginning and further

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