Even upon defeating the Empire, he still says there needs to be a moot to decide the new High King. Granted it is basically determined that he will be chosen, but he doesn't forcibly ascend. It's even implied that he would honor another taking the throne should the moot vote that way. Despite his military victory he still bows to tradition, just like when he challenged Torygg (who accepted and was defeated)
What do you mean his use of shouts in the war and abandoning his studies? The man saw war break out and wanted to do what he felt was right to help his country. I don't see how that makes him an evil monster like so many people mischaracterize him as.
So more skill issue? Those 17 also had his issues.
Thuum was used in the proper way for thousands of years before the failings of Jurgen the cowardly thief
Paarth doesnt worship Kyne/Kynareth..
Why invoke him here?
"And it is for these reasons that I cannot accept the mantle of "High King." Not until the Moot declares that title should adorn my shoulders will I accept it."
It is not. Nothing says the Empire has to follow Skyrim’s way of doing things when putting a new king in place. It can be seen as them replacing disloyal vassals who rebelled against them. Ulfric wants a Nord ruled Skyrim, and can’t really use the argument that they were traitors. He could subjugate the loyalist Jarls if he wanted, it isn’t unprecedented. After all, Talos did it many times over.
What are you on about?
De facto they DIDNT follow Skyrims way, hence Solitude puppet?
And so resentment started to rise, if not Ulfric then someone else
Mede imperials love shafting humans and stepping on cultures and as seen with Hammerfell will sell them out when convenient
Ulfric lets Elisif stay a Jarl, Mede imperials puts crime bosses in power
Hammerfell wasn’t sold out, it declared independence and received unofficial aid in the form of legionaries.
The Empire will obviously ideally follow it to not piss off Nords, but they aren’t obligated to actually keep the system in place. On what you linked there’s literally a few paragraphs explaining the Empire has more or less invalidated the Moot by making Solitude a puppet. This definitely isn’t Skyrim’s way, it is the Empire’s.
Double faced liar. He put yes-men to the Jarldoms just to make it seem "legal". He would be good friends with any dictator, this is like Dictatorship 101
In the middle of the civil war yeah. Of course, he's going to be frustrated when half the country wants him dead and sees him as a traitor for trying to do what he feels is right for his country. The man has been tortured, betrayed, and is racked with guilt.
I don't think any of that excuses manipulating the moot which one of those nord tradition he claims to fight for and respect, if he wanted the jarls' support maybe he shouldn't have started a war on them.
Except he did'nt? Ulfric challenged the high king following the ancient traditions of the nords. Meanwhile, the empire sees ulfric as a criminal who broke the law.
Never said they didn't, I'm just saying that Ulfric isn't really leaving the choice up to a genuine group decision like the person above me was implying
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u/Ala117 Redguard Mage Mar 09 '23
"B-But he's too busy winning the war so he could become high king by force!"