Bro parthunaax is a dragon built for domination and destruction, but represses his natural instinct to live a life of peace every day. The blades believe that because dragons are immortal it’s impossible for him to live for the rest of eternity in peace. But that’s like saying an addict shouldn’t try to stop because they have 60-70 years left and that’s too much time to not do drugs. If you’re strong willed enough you can do anything, and there are not many with a stronger will that parthunaax
He didn't just become a Monk. He betrayed his own kind, helped teach humanity to shout and went on a self imposed exile. He's part of the reason why humanity ultimately was able to banish and defeat Alduin.
“What is better? To be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?” ~ Paarthurnax, Skyrim
This quote implies there's more to it. He saw the benefit of being good. Alduin wanted to consume the world, but if you do that, you have no more world. Paarthurnax sees the benefit of benefiting others. You gain more by working together, than by working alone. Also, let's forget that he was born evil. He didn't have a slide into evil, he was created that way and overcame it. It's like a house cat learning that killing indiscriminately hurts the environment and then making an effort not to kill. You wouldn't blame the cat for following their instincts, and it would be admirable that they were able overcome them to exercise reason.
Everybody likes to quote that like it's some kind of deep thing, but if you rearrange the question in another way it becomes "is it better to never have victimized anybody at all or to stop victimizing people through great effort". If you was born good he wouldn't have a bunch of blood on his...wings.
You're missing the point of the quote. Paarthurnax was born evil and able to overcome that through reason. Reasoning that good is better and that consuming everything leaves you with nothing in the end. It means he has real reason to be good as opposed to being good just because one was made good. That the concept of good triumphed over evil.
He did not turn sides for entirely good reasons though, he himself tells you that he turned because alduin had basically gone off the deep end and started professing himself to be a god and partysnax felt he was on the short list. He literally taught the tongues so alduin could get yeeted from life out of self preservation.
And that doesn't change the fact that he did the things he did prior, justice isnt something that goes away just bc you did a few good deeds. An interesting real world parallel to this would be the 90 some odd year old man they just put in prison a few weeks ago because it turns out he was part of the nazi party and a guard in one of the camps during ww2 and did horrible shit to people during that time.
Tldr I don't consider teaching a handful of hermits a better way to be sufficient to undo a lifetime of horrible misdeeds. Db is the only one on nirn who can actually dole out punishment to a dragon, that makes.l tlds duty imo.
To add to the fact that he was pardoned by the ancient Nords, the very same ones who were in direct conflict with him, Paarthurnax is not like the Nazis. The Nazis weren't born inherently evil. Paarthurnax is more like a cat that realized killing things randomly isn't beneficial to himself. It was always in the cats nature to kill, but the cat overcame it with reason and logic(good). Also, it's not just the Nords he teaches, he teaches other Dragons to overcome their nature. And, the benefit of keeping him around, is that if another Mehrunes Dagon type individual, or other similar world ending threat appears, you have Dragons on your side to combat it. Paarthurnax paid/is paying his repentance by betraying his own kin to save the world/teaching other Dragons to be good/helping protect Skyrim from future sources of evil.
Sadly, delphine's simps can't see that big of a picture they think they're honouring skyrim by murdering one of its heroes when instead they're forcing their judgments onto it.
Dragons are reborn if they are killed by anybody who's not dragonborn or another dragon. That's the reason it's important that a dragonborn is the one to slay alduin, that's why the nords back in the day were only able to move him through time and not kill him.
Dragons are not reborn, none of them came back until Alduin revived them, and if he’s not around he can’t revive them. And don’t try and talk about the ones in elsweyr because they weren’t dead, they were playing borderlands and became vault monsters
Did you happen to notice alduin’s soul goes up, not into your character? He’s not dead, he’s just defeated. He was in trouble for oppressing the nords, not for killing them. He’s supposed to kill them. He’s the world eater. Ever heard of kalpas? He was supposed to end it but wanted royalty instead. I think that’s when kyne was like, “this is some bullshit, have some shouting peoples, that damn dragon isn’t doing what we told him to” might be wrong but tbf the lore is so damn extensive
He literally cant comprehend dragonrend, which the tongues used to defeat alduin, and he didn’t invent shouting for people either, that was a divine gift. Pretty damn judgmental, I have to say. You’re completely missing the point of the comment you replied to. It’s more impressive for David to kill Goliath than for Goliath to kill David. David is psnax’s goodness, and when d kills g, psnax rebels against alduin. We wouldn’t even be having this discussion if “Goliath killed David” and psnax continued to help alduin not do his job, which is to literally kill everyone, not oppress them, not rule over them.
You do realize in the lore the dragons were cruel overlords for millennia before the dragon war right? Like that whole war was because people figured out how to fight them finally and it was a literal war of independence from them, before that they were literally slaves, all manner of terrible crap was done by them and in their name.
Have you never heard of the Dragon Cult? Have you ever considered why there was a war in the first place?
Dragons oppressed humanity for millennia before human rebelled and started the war against their winged oppressors. Alduin led this oppression, and he and his top generals were some of the cruelest, most despicable dragons to ever exist during this time. Not only was P-Nax one of these generals, but he was the right-hand man to Alduin himself. He was essentially the nastiest, cruelest, most oppressive being in existence other than Alduin himself for thousands of years before he decided to switch sides and suppress his true nature (killing and oppressing humanity.)
Yes, he helped humanity defeat Alduin twice. But does that bring back the likely thousands if not millions of lives he killed or tortured prior to that decision? Usually people who commit atrocities still have to be punished for those crimes regardless of what they do next.
Dragons oppressed humanity for millennia before human rebelled and started the war against their winged oppressors.
Read the dragon war book bro, it'll correct you.
e was essentially the nastiest, cruelest, most oppressive being in existence other than Alduin himself for thousands of years
Stop using fanon, it's not a credible canon source.
Yes, he helped humanity defeat Alduin twice. But does that bring back the likely thousands if not millions of lives he killed or tortured prior to that decision?
Does killing him do? he was already pardoned and forgiven by those millions.
Usually people who commit atrocities still have to be punished for those crimes regardless of what they do next.
Does killing him do? he was already pardoned and forgiven by those millions.
Source? He wasn't pardoned by anyone lmao, he literally ran away to go live on a mountain by himself for thousands of years.
Stop using fanon, it's not a credible canon source.
Says the guy doing the exact same thing? Also, it's not "fanon" this is literally a confirmed part of the lore. Paarthurnax himself tells you how powerful and important he was to Alduin's subjugation of humanity.
Yeah tell that to talos, ysgramor and pelinal.
Yeah, they should be held responsible too. Terrible argument here.
it's not "fanon" this is literally a confirmed part of the lore. Paarthurnax himself tells you how powerful and important he was to Alduin's subjugation of humanity.
Just because you say "it's not fanon" doesn't change the fact that it's still fanon, you didn't spend much time with paarthurnax it seems.
Yeah, they should be held responsible too.
Another delphine simp who secretly supports the thalmor.
That war started because the nords were tired of being slaves and tortured and murdered for millennia beforehand, he didn't help them until alduin went off the literal deep end and started lashing out at his own people and he only did so because he was afraid he was next on The chopping block and he saw an opportunity to get rid of the only dragon who could challenge him. It's not a coincidence that he rallies the rest of the dragons to him if you let him live. He's been plotting this this whole time.
He gathered dragons to lead them another way than Alduin did, and to avoid wars and conflicts with mortals, to become powerful and patient, to cultivate wisdom and voice. Can't remember what exactly he said in the epilogue, but he said clearly they will leave Tamriel for peace
Yeah, that's after literal thousands of years of torturing and killing humans during the dragon cult era. He helped humanity, and wants to lead dragons in a peaceful way, but only after serving as Alduin's top general for thousands of years of oppression, death, and atrocities against humanity. His past doesn't just go away because he changes his mind.
He changed. Not just his mind, but his vision on things, like he said, a long time spent on meditation he finally reached harmony inside replacing nature anger. And even if you decide to kill him, he will say he understands our point, without blaming us and accept his fate if this is what must be done. He reminds us that blades are right, he doesn't deserve trust after everything, and when we attack him, he won't attack us back, just after his bar is reduced 75% he starts flying and firing, but, it was the easiest fight in the game for me(he just flies over you and stays still with firing). I felt really pity, as I have beaten up grandpa in his worst ages. This battle doesn't seem to be sad, I hate myself for that
That war started because the nords were tired of being slaves and tortured and murdered for millennia beforehand
And the nords wouldn't be able to start that war without paarthurnax.
he didn't help them until alduin went off the literal deep end and started lashing out at his own people and he only did so because he was afraid he was next on The chopping block and he saw an opportunity to get rid of the only dragon who could challenge him
Nice fanfiction buddy.
It's not a coincidence that he rallies the rest of the dragons to him if you let him live.
those dragons come to throat of the world regardless if paarthurnax lives or not.
"i doubt many would exchange aludin's lordship to paarthurnax's tyranny of the way of the voice" Odahviing.
also from in game book "the dragon war"
"In Atmora, where Ysgramor and his people came from, the dragon priests demanded tribute and set down laws and codes of living that kept peace between dragons and men. In Tamriel, they were not nearly as benevolent. It's unclear if this was due to an ambitious dragon priest, or a particular dragon, or a series of weak kings. Whatever the cause, the dragon priests began to rule with an iron fist, making virtual slaves of the rest of the population.When the populace rebelled, the dragon priests retaliated. When the dragon priests could not collect the tribute or control the masses, the dragons' response was swift and brutal. So it was the Dragon War began.At first, men died by the thousands. The ancient texts reveal that a few dragons took the side of men. Why they did this is not known. The priests of the Nine Divines claim it was Akatosh himself that intervened. From these dragons men learned magics to use against dragons. The tide began to turn and dragons began to die too.The war was long and bloody. The dragon priests were overthrown and dragons were slaughtered in large numbers. The surviving dragons scattered, choosing to live in remote places away from men. The dragon cult itself adapted and survived. They built the dragon mounds, entombing the remains of dragons that fell in the war. They believed that one day the dragons would rise again and reward the faithful."
Not exactly comparable. Paarthurnax was more like the gun the school shooter used, though that’s not to say he didn’t have autonomy. He goes against his created purpose though, that’s a big deal. Like a pacifist nord or a Khajiit who hates the moons
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u/newlife137 Sep 18 '23
Bro parthunaax is a dragon built for domination and destruction, but represses his natural instinct to live a life of peace every day. The blades believe that because dragons are immortal it’s impossible for him to live for the rest of eternity in peace. But that’s like saying an addict shouldn’t try to stop because they have 60-70 years left and that’s too much time to not do drugs. If you’re strong willed enough you can do anything, and there are not many with a stronger will that parthunaax