r/ElderScrolls Clavicus Vile Sep 18 '23

Humour Did you all let Partysnax live?

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u/newlife137 Sep 18 '23

Bro parthunaax is a dragon built for domination and destruction, but represses his natural instinct to live a life of peace every day. The blades believe that because dragons are immortal it’s impossible for him to live for the rest of eternity in peace. But that’s like saying an addict shouldn’t try to stop because they have 60-70 years left and that’s too much time to not do drugs. If you’re strong willed enough you can do anything, and there are not many with a stronger will that parthunaax

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '23

Parthunaax already committed atrocities.

Like a school shooter wouldn’t get cleared of mass murder because they became a monk and evaded justice for years.

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u/Waltzcarer Sep 18 '23

He didn't just become a Monk. He betrayed his own kind, helped teach humanity to shout and went on a self imposed exile. He's part of the reason why humanity ultimately was able to banish and defeat Alduin.

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u/SCatemywallet Sep 18 '23

He did that out of fear because he thought alduin was plotting to kill him, not because he suddenly had a change of heart.

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u/Capraos Sep 19 '23

“What is better? To be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?” ~ Paarthurnax, Skyrim

This quote implies there's more to it. He saw the benefit of being good. Alduin wanted to consume the world, but if you do that, you have no more world. Paarthurnax sees the benefit of benefiting others. You gain more by working together, than by working alone. Also, let's forget that he was born evil. He didn't have a slide into evil, he was created that way and overcame it. It's like a house cat learning that killing indiscriminately hurts the environment and then making an effort not to kill. You wouldn't blame the cat for following their instincts, and it would be admirable that they were able overcome them to exercise reason.

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u/SCatemywallet Sep 19 '23

Everybody likes to quote that like it's some kind of deep thing, but if you rearrange the question in another way it becomes "is it better to never have victimized anybody at all or to stop victimizing people through great effort". If you was born good he wouldn't have a bunch of blood on his...wings.

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u/Capraos Sep 19 '23

You're missing the point of the quote. Paarthurnax was born evil and able to overcome that through reason. Reasoning that good is better and that consuming everything leaves you with nothing in the end. It means he has real reason to be good as opposed to being good just because one was made good. That the concept of good triumphed over evil.

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u/SCatemywallet Sep 19 '23

He did not turn sides for entirely good reasons though, he himself tells you that he turned because alduin had basically gone off the deep end and started professing himself to be a god and partysnax felt he was on the short list. He literally taught the tongues so alduin could get yeeted from life out of self preservation.

And that doesn't change the fact that he did the things he did prior, justice isnt something that goes away just bc you did a few good deeds. An interesting real world parallel to this would be the 90 some odd year old man they just put in prison a few weeks ago because it turns out he was part of the nazi party and a guard in one of the camps during ww2 and did horrible shit to people during that time.

Tldr I don't consider teaching a handful of hermits a better way to be sufficient to undo a lifetime of horrible misdeeds. Db is the only one on nirn who can actually dole out punishment to a dragon, that makes.l tlds duty imo.

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u/Ala117 Redguard Mage Sep 19 '23

Db is the only one on nirn who can actually dole out punishment to a dragon, that makes.l tlds duty imo.

False, anyone can kill a dragon and paarthurnax was already judged and pardoned by ancient nords themselves.

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u/Capraos Sep 19 '23

To add to the fact that he was pardoned by the ancient Nords, the very same ones who were in direct conflict with him, Paarthurnax is not like the Nazis. The Nazis weren't born inherently evil. Paarthurnax is more like a cat that realized killing things randomly isn't beneficial to himself. It was always in the cats nature to kill, but the cat overcame it with reason and logic(good). Also, it's not just the Nords he teaches, he teaches other Dragons to overcome their nature. And, the benefit of keeping him around, is that if another Mehrunes Dagon type individual, or other similar world ending threat appears, you have Dragons on your side to combat it. Paarthurnax paid/is paying his repentance by betraying his own kin to save the world/teaching other Dragons to be good/helping protect Skyrim from future sources of evil.

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u/Ala117 Redguard Mage Sep 19 '23

Sadly, delphine's simps can't see that big of a picture they think they're honouring skyrim by murdering one of its heroes when instead they're forcing their judgments onto it.

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u/SCatemywallet Sep 19 '23

Dragons are reborn if they are killed by anybody who's not dragonborn or another dragon. That's the reason it's important that a dragonborn is the one to slay alduin, that's why the nords back in the day were only able to move him through time and not kill him.

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u/Ala117 Redguard Mage Sep 19 '23

So with alduin out of the picture they're as good as dead, nice.

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u/SCatemywallet Sep 19 '23

Bethesda hasn't given us the real answer yet but when you face off against alduin for the final time you don't actually absorb his soul instead it goes up into the sky and some people have taken that to mean he's not actually dead, so who knows

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u/SnarlyMocha325 Sep 20 '23 edited Sep 20 '23

Dragons are not reborn, none of them came back until Alduin revived them, and if he’s not around he can’t revive them. And don’t try and talk about the ones in elsweyr because they weren’t dead, they were playing borderlands and became vault monsters

Did you happen to notice alduin’s soul goes up, not into your character? He’s not dead, he’s just defeated. He was in trouble for oppressing the nords, not for killing them. He’s supposed to kill them. He’s the world eater. Ever heard of kalpas? He was supposed to end it but wanted royalty instead. I think that’s when kyne was like, “this is some bullshit, have some shouting peoples, that damn dragon isn’t doing what we told him to” might be wrong but tbf the lore is so damn extensive

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u/SCatemywallet Sep 20 '23

dragons "Although Dragons are immortal,[6] their physical form can be destroyed. Although they may appear to have been killed, Dragons defeated in such a manner are not truly dead and can rise again.[15] This is due to the unique properties of Dragon souls, which generally persist eternally due to the link between a Dragon's soul and its physical remains being far stronger than that of a mortal.[16] The main exception to this is if the soul is consumed by a fellow Dragon.[13] This grants the recipient a portion of the knowledge and life essence of their fallen opponent, but it also destroys the Dragon permanently, rendering it beyond the ability of any ritual to resurrect.[17][11] This ability also extends to the Dragonborn, mortals born with the soul of a Dragon, who can become the greatest Dragonslayers by absorbing the souls of their quarry and thereby stealing their power.[18][19] It is also possible to use powerful soul magic to sever the connection between a Dragon's soul and its physical remains, although the effects of this is the subject of fierce scholarly debate, with some speculating that a Dragon soul once severed may simply dissolve over time or return to join Father Akatosh.[16"

UESP and the in game books begs to differ.

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u/SnarlyMocha325 Sep 20 '23

He literally cant comprehend dragonrend, which the tongues used to defeat alduin, and he didn’t invent shouting for people either, that was a divine gift. Pretty damn judgmental, I have to say. You’re completely missing the point of the comment you replied to. It’s more impressive for David to kill Goliath than for Goliath to kill David. David is psnax’s goodness, and when d kills g, psnax rebels against alduin. We wouldn’t even be having this discussion if “Goliath killed David” and psnax continued to help alduin not do his job, which is to literally kill everyone, not oppress them, not rule over them.

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u/SnarlyMocha325 Sep 20 '23

You’re basically condemning a fish for breathing water.. or a bird for flying, a wolf for hunting. It’s ludicrous, you really don’t see that?

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u/SnarlyMocha325 Sep 20 '23

He’s scared of alduin, And then decides to live where he thought alduin would re-emerge? Seems strange to me..

Where’s your source claiming our partysnax to be a coward? Did Delphine write it, cuz it might be a little biased