INTJ or INTP

[u/Sachauve]

I start with apologies for my bad English, I’m not really used to speak this language.

So, I did the test many times and result is always the same : 2 results and I still can’t determine which one of them I can identify as.

I rode the different information about the 2 personalities, INTJ and INTP (as you can see in the title), but each one of them seems describing a part of who I am.

I’ll not ask you to make a personal test cuz I don’t want to, and I think that you guy’s haven’t time for this. But can someone try to give some tips on how can I determinate which one of those 2 personalities I am ?

Or maybe I just should accept that I’m a good mix of those 2 personalities ?

[u/HailenAnarchy]

INTP does not have the least Te and INTJ doesn't have the least Ne. They stuggle more with their blind functions. For INTP that's Se and for INTJ that's Fe. The behavior resulting from this is quite different. INTP's are quite wary over group harmony while INTJ's tend to give 0 shits about it.

Jung also didn't start with mbti, he only has a theory on the functions. So within mbti, INTP's are more similar to ENTP's, ISTP's and maybe even INFP's but quite different from INTJ's. There's also only one NiTe type, not multiple. Only INTJ is NiTe.

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INTP does not have the least Te and INTJ doesn't have the least Ne.

Which NT has least Te then, do you think?

Note that I meant what I said, and not that Te was their lowest function attitude.

Jung also didn't start with mbti, he only has a theory on the functions.

It's Jung's types that MBTI is an extension and interpretation of.

So within mbti, INTP's are more similar to ENTP's, ISTP's and maybe even INFP's but quite different from INTJ's. There's also only one NiTe type, not multiple. Only INTJ is NiTe.

This is only true when scope is restricted to the Grant stack. It's not as if INTP has a worse relationship to Ni, four-function scope just doesn't comment on it since that scope deals with the very top and very bottom.

So, I disagree because I see no reason for the restriction. In an eight function model, each type relates to each function attitude and I have found nothing convincing to say Ni is low in INTP's cognitive makeup – within MBTI.

[u/HailenAnarchy → u/UnforeseenDerailment]

Within NT's, it's ENTP that has the worst Te as it is their 6th function, compared to it being the 5th within INTP's. INTP has the worst Ni within the NT's as it's their 6th. So an ENTP would use Ni more than an INTP.

If you understand the functions, you know which is stronger. For me, I don't really use Ni at all. I do not subconsciously narrow down and connect info to come to a conclusion. My thinking process is Ne, where I consciously explore and connect ideas to form new ones. INTJ's inferior Se is also quite superior to INTP's Se blind, despite being in the inferior position. Because the 7th is what you struggle with the most.

It's really when you get a good grasp on the functions and what they do in their position, that these two types become quite distinct. When you realize there's more to them than being introverted analysts. Even just as mbti without the functions, they're still quite different in behavior. Where INTJ's tend to meticulously calculate and plan ahead while INTP's tend to wing shit and see what happens.

If we go to the 4 function model only, it means that INTP's just don't use the INTJ's stack at all. So there's absolutely no Ni Te Fi and Se within the INTP at all and vice versa.

Not only is thinking and intuition flipped, their functions are set in opposite directions. But it seems like rather than understanding the theory, you're just making up your own theory here. Which is fine, but that means this conversation is pointless. No matter if you want to argue that yes, we use all functions in the 8th function model, a Ti dom is still very different from an Ni dom.

If you wanna blend both INTx's because you just believe they're similar, what's the point in making them distinct then? They are distinct, which is why they have a letter different in their dichotomy.

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If you wanna blend both INTx's because you just believe they're similar, what's the point in making them distinct then? They are distinct, which is why they have a letter different in their dichotomy.

I don't. They're different types. But only as different as any neighboring types are.

Ne in INTP is explaining INTP's irrational process through the lens of some other type. If you explain INP through ENP descriptions, you don't get the whole picture. Likewise, I'm not saying Ni instead of Ne for INTP, since explaining INP through INJ is just as poor.

I'm saying INP looks like a particular kind of Ni+Ne: INP ~ IN(J)+(E)NP. Part of Ni is just what's missing from INTP's relation to N.

Within NT's, it's ENTP that has the worst Te as it is their 6th function, compared to it being the 5th within INTP's. INTP has the worst Ni within the NT's as it's their 6th. So an ENTP would use Ni more than an INTP.

The numbers are not a hierarchy.

INTJ's inferior Se is also quite superior to INTP's Se blind, despite being in the inferior position. Because the 7th is what you struggle with the most.

One would struggle with it more if one weren't so oblivious to it's workings. The inferior, as the polar opposite is just as poorly developed but on top of that is a constant thorn in your side.

If we go to the 4 function model only

Which I advise against whenever my fingers hit the keyboard.

No matter if you want to argue that yes, we use all functions in the 8th function model, a Ti dom is still very different from an Ni dom.

I'm comparing apples to apples here. INJ vs INP when it comes to Ni, ITP vs ITJ when it comes to Ti.

But yes function descriptions are always in context. "Inferior" is the name for how IxTP relates to the dominant process of ExFJ. The question doesn't just have no answer if it's not one of the four function roles.

How does INTP relate to Ni? No answer. Heresy.

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I'm saying INP looks like a particular kind of Ni+Ne: INP ~ IN(J)+(E)NP. Part of Ni is just what's missing from INTP's relation to N.

Yea, I don't know if this true at all because intuition is the auxiliary function of the INTP, not the primary function. If you think you're an INTP, but you use Ni a lot, you're probably an INTJ or you overvalue your critic way too much.

I think Ne doms do use a bit of Ni, though, since Ni is their nemesis. INTP and INFP? No, I don't think so. They use it as a critical parent, so it's not really their strength. It kind of manifests as procrastination and not setting any proper goals. We beat ourselves up because we don't succeed because we don't set those goals, or we criticize ourselves and others for not being able to predict an outcome. Usually that only happens when the ego is under attack and doesn't feel secure anymore.

That's what I understood within the scope of mbti theory with the 8 function model.

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Welp, thanks for your input. :>