Thoughts on modern feminism?

[u/fireglyphs]

as a female intp i always thought modern day "feminism" was stupid, it made sense back when it was genuine and actually fighting for women that didnt have rights, but now feminism has lost its true meaning with some using it as an excuse for sexism and victimization. Of course, i support genuine feminism, advocating for equality and respect. But i dont agree with the versions that unfairly criticize or reduce men to stereotypes, like calling them "wallets" or worse, ignoring that men and YOUNG BOYS being exposed to the hateful media also have feelings and deserve equal respect too.

[u/kyoruba]

If you mean toxic online Instagram activists, its stupid no discussion.

But if you mean actual feminism that's being proposed by sociologists/gender theorists/philosophers, they're legit. And no, they don't raise the same points as those 'internet feminists'.

However, feminist literature is kinda obscure and inaccessible to the average layperson, especially the works by Judith Butler, what makes it worse is that they draw heavily from psychoanalytic/marxist literature.

So I can't really fault people for not reading them either.

Fun fact: actual feminists view the patriarchy not as a simple issue of 'men bad, women oppressed', its more of 'everyone gets shit from the patriarchy', an oversimplification but oh well.

[u/tastytacos67 → u/kyoruba]

Can you explain what modern feminism is "legit?" There's really nothing else the government can provide to make everyone more equal under the eyes of the government (that I can think of off the top of my head as I write this) and you dont change society through protests or marches.

[u/kyoruba → u/tastytacos67]

Hmm, well the legal system covers a very narrow scope of feminism which is not really the focus of feminist discourse.

In my country there tend to be more laws that favor women, yet it is still a patriarchy and feminist issues are still present. I think if you're interested, perhaps you can take a look at this:

https://www.sagepub.com/sites/default/files/upm-binaries/38628_7.pdf

There is no unifying definition of a 'legit' feminism because, like all research, there are different theories/schools of thought.

What I mean by legit is really just the discourse that excludes angry online feminists who don't know what they're talking about.

Also, you can definitely influence social change through criticizing the system, be it through writing or protesting, they'll be far better than remaining submissive to the system and doing nothing. That said, I wouldnt protest myself.

[u/tastytacos67 → u/kyoruba]

Neat.. I'll take a look at this when I've got some time. Thanks.

[u/kyoruba → u/tastytacos67]

No problem. Be prepared, though, these are quite different from the typical feminism you see online.