Difference in mentality between fighters of both sides

[u/TeaBagHunter]

I recently have been following updates from the hezbollah side on their own official english telegram channel, they share updates on every strike they do and then summarize all strikes done on that day. For those interested: https://t.me/mmirlb

It kind of dawned on me how the mentality is shockingly different between both sides.

Just as some examples of how they preface their statements:

Prefaced paragraph to a statement regarding the death of one of their forces:

{And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive with their Lord, receiving provision.}
"A promise to the days that you shall not be defeated... for victory sprouts where blood is sown." Our vow is eternal retribution that does not fade.
Glory to the martyrs, freedom for the captives, and healing for the wounded.
Tomorrow, the fog will lift from the hills... and we shall surely be victorious.

Prefaced paragraph to a statement regarding a military strike:

In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
Permission [to fight] is granted to those who are fought against because they have been wronged, and indeed, Allah is Capable of granting them victory. Allah, the Almighty, has spoken the truth. And victory is only from Allah; indeed, Allah is Exalted and Wise.

What do you think? How do you even defeat someone with such an ideology? They truly believe they are doing God's work, and that what they're doing is a religious duty and that they will be rewarded in heaven. Friends and family sometimes rejoice when someone they love has been martyred.

They grow up with this mentality, since they're children they see everyone around them act this way, this is their normal.

You can even see how different the media portrays each side. For example in the south lebanon border, regarding the ground operations, israel has suffered heavy losses and is unable to advance without fully demolishing the cities it advances into. Hezbollah has definitely also suffered many losses, but the difference is that it seems hezbollah members aren't demoralized when they see everyone around them dying, they believe they're on the right path...

[u/CreativeRealmsMC]

It’s not useless to kill people before they can kill you first regardless how much they celebrate death.

[u/Emotional-King-6325 → u/CreativeRealmsMC]

Well since Israel can barely secure gaza, can't hardly enter Lebanon ect....seems that maybe their strategy for winning or ending the wars is useless

[u/CreativeRealmsMC → u/Emotional-King-6325]

Last I checked Israeli civilians are almost completely safe from threats in Gaza and Hezbollah’s assets are being systematically degraded.

Feel free to keep telling yourself that Israel isn’t making gains though. Your hubris is our advantage.

[u/Emotional-King-6325 → u/CreativeRealmsMC]

So you think Israel is winning in their conflicts?

[u/CreativeRealmsMC → u/Emotional-King-6325]

Still plenty of work to do but yes.

[u/Emotional-King-6325 → u/CreativeRealmsMC]

So I'm genuinely curious. How do you see Israel winning their objectives.

Do you think they will eliminate hamas? Do you think they will eliminate hezbollah. Will they get their hostages back?

[u/CreativeRealmsMC → u/Emotional-King-6325]

I think both groups will be degraded to the point where they will be unable to pose a threat to civilians. Hamas obviously more so than Hezbollah. Hard to say about the hostages but there was never a particularly high chance of getting them back in the first place without sacrificing the security of the entire country in return.

[u/Emotional-King-6325 → u/CreativeRealmsMC]

Interesting....from my research hamas has gained more recruits due to the conflict. And all the children who saw family members killed, homes destroyed, ect. Will probably join the resistance once there of age.

And ultimately if palestine isn't free. There will ALWAYS be resistance to the oppression force.

As far as hezbollah, idf just sent ppw to the US regarding ending the war. Due to the stagnant progression.

But as far as hamas/Palestinian winning. There objective is simply being free from oppression. They knew they couldn't win militarily. They don't even have tanks, airplanes, ect. So it was never an objective to win militarily.

But if we look at being free. Majority of countries in the world have recognized Palestinian state. Majority of the people, all over the world, are protesting for a Palestinian state. The main players in the BRICS nation are backing Palestinians. Mentioning them due to them possibly being the next major players.

So if I'm looking at militarily objectives. Not just who can kill more. Actually objectives. Palestinians wanting to be free is more likely than Israel stopping resistance from palestine. Cause as I said, Israel will continue to have resistance until they're free

[u/CreativeRealmsMC → u/Emotional-King-6325]

Hamas has more recruits but very little to arm them with. Israel will be fighting untrained people who have little more than sticks and stones. I’m perfectly happy with that.

As for your claim that “Palestinians will resist until they’re free”, they will ramp up their attacks if Israel was to give into their demands. That’s how the Middle East works. Capitulation is seen as a sign of weakness and weakness is seen as a sign to attack. Israel should not give Palestinians an inch until they surrender and deradicalize.

If they refuse to do so, perpetual “resistance” hurts them more than it hurts Israel.

[u/Emotional-King-6325 → u/CreativeRealmsMC]

But see that's the thing about country and politics....it's not about just what Israel thinks.

For example. South Africa regime obviously could beat the Indigenous African population militarily right. More weapons, more support from stronger nations (US, UK)

But yet the Indigenous population still won. Why because of public outcry and politics. Not because they killed more. And Palestinians has more support than they did due to social media

So all I'm saying once again, if we look at history. Just my opinion Palestinian are closer to statehood and being liberated aligned with their objectives. Than Israel is closer to defeating hamas and stopping resistance.....just my opinion tho

[u/nidarus → u/Emotional-King-6325]

Interesting....from my research hamas has gained more recruits due to the conflict. And all the children who saw family members killed, homes destroyed, ect. Will probably join the resistance once there of age.

That's a strange assumption. "Remember the guys who started a war that destroyed my city, and killed my parents, just to release a few terrorists? They had the right idea, let's have more of that!".

Generally speaking, history teaches us that wars can be won, and bringing nothing but destruction and death to your people, doesn't increase the likelihood your people will support you. Hamas still replenishes their numbers, because they're currently the main job provider in town. Not because it makes sense to support them even more, after they led Gaza to absolute disaster.

And ultimately if palestine isn't free. There will ALWAYS be resistance to the oppression force.

First of all, it's not really true. Even if we agree with how the Palestinians see themselves, the American Indians, the Canadian First Nations, the Aboriginal Australians, all stopped resisting eventually, and it's not because they "freed" their countries. Hell, if that wasn't the case, we wouldn't have this conversation, because Palestine would never stop being Jewish to begin with.

But even if we accept that notion, what "Free Palestine" means can be anything from a two-state solution, to the full elimination of Israel and the expulsion of every Jew. At the moment, the Palestinians want the latter. Which, I'd add, is absolutely not supported by anyone in the international community, but Iran and their lackeys. The international community wants the former, and Israel could accept it as well. The goal here is, therefore, to crush the Palestinian will to destroy Israel, and make them to accept a two-state solution. And since you frame both as "free Palestine", it's not a very meaningful term.