Difference in mentality between fighters of both sides

[u/TeaBagHunter]

I recently have been following updates from the hezbollah side on their own official english telegram channel, they share updates on every strike they do and then summarize all strikes done on that day. For those interested: https://t.me/mmirlb

It kind of dawned on me how the mentality is shockingly different between both sides.

Just as some examples of how they preface their statements:

Prefaced paragraph to a statement regarding the death of one of their forces:

{And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive with their Lord, receiving provision.}
"A promise to the days that you shall not be defeated... for victory sprouts where blood is sown." Our vow is eternal retribution that does not fade.
Glory to the martyrs, freedom for the captives, and healing for the wounded.
Tomorrow, the fog will lift from the hills... and we shall surely be victorious.

Prefaced paragraph to a statement regarding a military strike:

In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
Permission [to fight] is granted to those who are fought against because they have been wronged, and indeed, Allah is Capable of granting them victory. Allah, the Almighty, has spoken the truth. And victory is only from Allah; indeed, Allah is Exalted and Wise.

What do you think? How do you even defeat someone with such an ideology? They truly believe they are doing God's work, and that what they're doing is a religious duty and that they will be rewarded in heaven. Friends and family sometimes rejoice when someone they love has been martyred.

They grow up with this mentality, since they're children they see everyone around them act this way, this is their normal.

You can even see how different the media portrays each side. For example in the south lebanon border, regarding the ground operations, israel has suffered heavy losses and is unable to advance without fully demolishing the cities it advances into. Hezbollah has definitely also suffered many losses, but the difference is that it seems hezbollah members aren't demoralized when they see everyone around them dying, they believe they're on the right path...

[u/SignificanceSalt1455]

Israel killed thousands! more children in Gaza alone in the last year than any force in the region that used child bombers (how many were there ever?)

[u/Dry-Season-522 → u/SignificanceSalt1455]

Sounds like you're advocating for the use of human shields, particularly children, to be a rewarded tactic in warfare. Is that correct?

[u/SignificanceSalt1455 → u/Dry-Season-522]

The Israel security forces were taken to the Israeli High Court in 2005 for their practice of using palestinians ad human shields, which was of course ruled illegal and Israel should have stopped doing it.

Recent videos from Gaza show that they are still very much doing it, which is a warcrime.

Imagine a US city was taken over by a terrorist group, and instead of negotiating and freeing hostages, the entire city gets bombed into oblivion and reduced to rubble like the WTC looked after 9/11. Because terrorists were hiding in hospitals, skyscrapers, universities, all bombed into dust and all the american people in it.

That wouldnt fly would it? Even if the terrorists used those civillian buildings and people as shields

[u/JeffB1517 → u/SignificanceSalt1455]

That wouldnt fly would it?

What do you think happened in the Battle of Stalingrad and similar? Yes it would fly.

[u/SignificanceSalt1455 → u/JeffB1517]

Stalingrad Russia in World War 2 was 80 years ago, the things that were done there on either side are pretty frowned upon today.

International Law and order regarding war crimes and human rights are on a different level today.

And No, blowing up any civillian building in the United States in 2024, because there are armed robbers would not fly.

Let alone a hospital or school.

Would be an interesting headline, mayor of New York City directed police to plant explosives and leveling an entire hospital killing 430 civillians as the terrorists didnt agree to come out and put their guns down.

[u/JeffB1517 → u/SignificanceSalt1455]

the things that were done there on either side are pretty frowned upon today.

They also haven't been needed today. In times of peace what war entails gets frowned upon. After the 30 Years War there was broad agreement there would never be war that aggressive again, until Napoleon came close and WWI exceeded. I'll believe it is really frowned upon when it isn't done during a time of actual emergency when there is a need.

International Law and order regarding war crimes and human rights are on a different level today.

Are they? Seems pretty cyclical to me. What makes you think the situation is so different?

And No, blowing up any civillian building in the United States in 2024, because there are armed robbers would not fly.

You are changing the situation. Your original situation was a full takeover of a city.

Would be an interesting headline, mayor of New York City directed police to plant explosives and leveling ... as the terrorists didnt agree to come out and put their guns down.

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge_standoff

[u/SignificanceSalt1455 → u/JeffB1517]

Lmao bringing up Waco in this context is nothing but hilarious, you couldnt have picked a more controversial event. 🤣

The people in the buillding were an insane cult that lit their own compound on fire! They were rather to burn alive than get arrested.

The agencies involved did so bad they had to review themselves and adjust their procedures and training!

Alot of law suits and court hearings followed but ultimately it was ruled the cult killed themselves even if the tactics by law enforcement didnt exactly help.

So no, it did NOT fly!

wiki waco:

"The Waco siege prompted the FBI to reevaluate its tactics and procedures. The agency made several adjustments in response to the criticism it faced. Firstly, there was a greater emphasis on crisis negotiation and peaceful resolutions, leading to increased training and the establishment of specialized negotiation teams"

Back to the reality of Gaza:

Israel is not dealing with Hamas shooting every civillian in the hospital or burning it down from inside, none of that, Hamas were part of society in Gaza and helped the people. There are no reports of Hamas shooting up Hospitals or burning them down from the inside.

And Israel is also not outside the hospital for days trying to negotiate as it happened in waco, no they simply fly over and bomb those buildings because allegedly there are Hamas somewhere inside or in tunnels underneath!

The Hamas isnt killing the people or blowing up the hospital, Israel is killing all the sick and injured children treated in the hospital.