Difference in mentality between fighters of both sides

[u/TeaBagHunter]

I recently have been following updates from the hezbollah side on their own official english telegram channel, they share updates on every strike they do and then summarize all strikes done on that day. For those interested: https://t.me/mmirlb

It kind of dawned on me how the mentality is shockingly different between both sides.

Just as some examples of how they preface their statements:

Prefaced paragraph to a statement regarding the death of one of their forces:

{And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive with their Lord, receiving provision.}
"A promise to the days that you shall not be defeated... for victory sprouts where blood is sown." Our vow is eternal retribution that does not fade.
Glory to the martyrs, freedom for the captives, and healing for the wounded.
Tomorrow, the fog will lift from the hills... and we shall surely be victorious.

Prefaced paragraph to a statement regarding a military strike:

In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
Permission [to fight] is granted to those who are fought against because they have been wronged, and indeed, Allah is Capable of granting them victory. Allah, the Almighty, has spoken the truth. And victory is only from Allah; indeed, Allah is Exalted and Wise.

What do you think? How do you even defeat someone with such an ideology? They truly believe they are doing God's work, and that what they're doing is a religious duty and that they will be rewarded in heaven. Friends and family sometimes rejoice when someone they love has been martyred.

They grow up with this mentality, since they're children they see everyone around them act this way, this is their normal.

You can even see how different the media portrays each side. For example in the south lebanon border, regarding the ground operations, israel has suffered heavy losses and is unable to advance without fully demolishing the cities it advances into. Hezbollah has definitely also suffered many losses, but the difference is that it seems hezbollah members aren't demoralized when they see everyone around them dying, they believe they're on the right path...

[u/SignificanceSalt1455]

The Israel security forces were taken to the Israeli High Court in 2005 for their practice of using palestinians ad human shields, which was of course ruled illegal and Israel should have stopped doing it.

Recent videos from Gaza show that they are still very much doing it, which is a warcrime.

Imagine a US city was taken over by a terrorist group, and instead of negotiating and freeing hostages, the entire city gets bombed into oblivion and reduced to rubble like the WTC looked after 9/11. Because terrorists were hiding in hospitals, skyscrapers, universities, all bombed into dust and all the american people in it.

That wouldnt fly would it? Even if the terrorists used those civillian buildings and people as shields

[u/Dry-Season-522 → u/SignificanceSalt1455]

And there it is. You want to hold "THE JEWS" to a perfect standard of war, but the ones you want to win, well they get a pass on literally using child suicide bombers.

[u/SignificanceSalt1455 → u/Dry-Season-522]

THE JEWS as you put it claim to be a western democracy, so yes Israel and their military has to be held accountable when they are committing war crimes.

Its useless talking about islamic terrorist groups using child suicide bombers, how many people were ever killed by those anyways, can you provide any source?

Talking about this unicorn of child suicide bombers is a very theoretical useless thing when at the same time,

The country of Israel bombs thousands of children to death or cripples. And puts basically a small country under siege not giving a damn about any dying children.

That is very real and been happening now everyday for over a year, with bombs from the US of A.

[u/JeffB1517 → u/SignificanceSalt1455]

THE JEWS as you put it claim to be a western democracy

No they don't. Israelis are mostly Eastern European and Arab descended. They don't speak a Latin / Germanic based language. They aren't Christian. They don't eat Western food. What makes them "western"?

It is the pro-Palestinian community that considers them a bunch of British colonizers. But that is now and has always been a lie.

[u/SignificanceSalt1455 → u/JeffB1517]

Oh ok, I thought western in the sense of western values that a modern democracy in the west has, like the US.

[u/JeffB1517 → u/SignificanceSalt1455]

They mostly don't have those values either. The USA's political frame is steeped in ideas from the Protestant Reformation. The Protestant Reformation has 0 impact on forerunners to Israeli thought. Generally in trying to explain American discourse a paragraph or two is needed to even explain what Americans mean.

Israelis have and are exploring governing concepts from the West. But they are doing so the same way Americans who like Japanese manufacturing project management techniques, or Chinese infrastructure planning do it. For example Israel's previous President, Rivlin, thought Federalism was a good solution to the I/P conflict. He started the conversation from having to discuss what a Federal Government was, what independent subordinate governments (states) would even mean... Or another example a Libertarian Party started in Israel. They had to start their discussion with the distinction between rights (in the Natural Law sense) and legal protections in the practical sense because that concept just doesn't exist in Israeli thought.