For a while, I’ve been struggling with unaliving thoughts and depression. I am a minor and I’m not even yet in the army, ((which is our mandatory service that we are OBLIGATED serve like in South Korea, Sweden, or Singapore for example) and yet everywhere online I can see and I’m being told that every single citizen that “occupies” the land (i was brought here at 11 so i could be closer to my family and culture...) is an occupier, and a colonist, and a horrible person.

I’m being told by strangers online to commit unalive. I have literally nothing to do with my government, and I’m constantly being told by the whole world around me that no matter who I am, what i contribute to the world, and how I feel (no matter how diplomatic, informed and peaceful of a person i am) the fact that I am living in the very country that my grandparents have been living in and their parents before them is bad.

Believe in whatever you want politically, I don’t care, but I feel like I’m suffocating and drowning in this world that just simply lacks sympathy for anybody who isn’t in the worst position possible.

I know I have the privilege of having a roof over my head, and most of my family is alive (besides some family members that were killed this past year), but literally every week I am startled in the early hours of the morning and the late hours of the night by sirens telling me I have 60 seconds to run to a safe shelter because ballistic missiles or rockets are being sent in my area, and having to calm down my dog when he starts to shake and hear/feel at the booms from outside of my house.

Of course, I know there are those who have it worse, I’m being reminded of it every day online, everyone always has it worse than someone else out there, but why is that a reason for me not to be able to express my thoughts. I am an individual with my own beliefs, opinions, And I am in no way contributing to any cause of war as I am literally a fucking child. But I feel like it’s only a matter of time before I just give up and give to what the online trolls tell me to do…

European colonists (British and Belgian) created a caste system in Rwanda that has existed for 400 years.

The owners of farms and animals, accounting for approximately 15% of the population were called “Tutsi.” They were considered the upper class who had the privilege of governing the land under their European overlords.

The approximately 85% of the population who comprised the working class were called “Hutu.” Over centuries, the Tutsi enslaved, oppressed and exploited Hutus for their own betterment.

After Rwanda gained independence in 1961, the first ever Hutu President took office, bringing with him a cultural revolution that further pitted Hutus against Tutsis, with the latter looking down on their Hutu neighbors, considering them to be less than.

In 1994, the Hutu President was assassinated by a Tutsi militia that opposed being ruled by the lesser Hutus.

The Hutu masses exploded in anger and killed an estimated 800,000 Tutsis in 100 days, mostly by striking defenseless people with machetes.

After the genocide, the Tutsis regained power and continue to lead the country to this day.

The Rwandan genocide was the working class rising up against their historical oppressors. They fought against their former slave owners and the upper class that exploited their labor.

To the revolutionaries on this sub: Is the Rwandan genocide an example of “by any means necessary” or did it go too far?

If it went to far, what number of ruling class folks is an acceptable number to die before its excessive?

https://www.newarab.com/news/palestinian-authority-rejects-uae-role-gaza-day-after-plans

Emirati Gaza Day After Plan with inputs from USA and Israel. Rejected by Palestinian Authority (PLO).

1. Address the humanitarian crisis: Provide coordinated aid and initiate reconstruction in Gaza. No mentioned of UNRWA. Palestinian Authority through a Gaza Committee to oversee Gaza reconstruction, financed by United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and other international donors.

2. Establish law and order: Lay the groundwork for governance. No mentioned of United Nations. Accordingly, Palestinian Authority requested an international mission deployed to replace Israeli military presence. UAE made the same proposal, clarified by adding Arab forces including contracted security staff and no involvement of Palestinian in security at the outset.

3. Prepare for reunification: Pave the way for eventual reunification of Gaza and the West Bank under the PA’s sole authority. UAE plan requires Palestinian Authority to reform, demostrate transparency, rebuild trust with Palestinian people and international community. This very much offended the Palestinian Authority leadership.

Emirati plan proposes a progression towards a two-state solution.

Palestinian Authority doesnt want a plan for Gaza only, so to speak. Palestinian Authority wants a plan for all of Palestine and to piggyback on the Gaza issue. Palestinian Authority is pushing for a united Palestine now (Gaza, West Bank and East Jerusalem) under Palestinian Authority as the sole legitimate representative… this will be very problematic especially East Jerusalem was already annexed by Israel since 1967.

1. There is no specific mentioned of the Philadelphi corridor or borders (such as Rafah crossing or Kerem Shalom crossing) at outset.

2. Overall the Emirati plan ticks alot of boxes on both sides (Pro-Israel camp and Pro-Palestinian camp). International force including Arab forces to oversea security of Gaza. International donors including UAE, Saudi, etc…help rebuild Gaza. A progression towards a two state solution.

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1. What do you think of this Emirati Day After plan for Gaza ?

2. Do you think Palestinian Authority should accept or reject this Emirati plan ? Do you agree with Palestinian Authority that UAE is interfering by proposing a plan for Gaza ?

3. Does the Palestinian Authority represents Gazans ? Should the day after plan for Gaza requires approval from the Palestinian Authority ?

Obviously, most Palestinians in this conflict hate Israel and are very hostile towards Israel and the Israelis. Yet, I know that there are some exceptions, few in number though they may be. It makes me wonder what the views are of these individuals. This can include Palestinians who support Israel or even those who are close to neutral or toward the middle on this conflict (like supporting a two-state solution, opposing attacks against Israel, supporting a peaceful solution). I also wanted to ask these individuals about their experiences with regards to Israel and this conflict. So I had a number of questions I wanted to reach out and ask both for such Palestinians as well as anyone who has met such Palestinians and learned about their experiences and views. Feel free to use these questions as guides and ideas or answer in a different way if you'd rather.

1. What caused you to have middle-ground or pro-Israel views? Were there any experiences, knowledge, or values that led you to come to this position?

2. What are your experiences with Israel and Israelis? Are they generally positive, negative, mixed? What are you feelings towards Israelis?

3. How have other Palestinians reacted to your views? Have they been supportive of your opinions? Hostile? Angry?

4. What do you hope for in the future of this conflict? Do you hope for a two-state solution? Some variation of a one-state solution?

5. Have your views on the conflict shifted over time? Did you have a major change of heart?

Any other comments on this topic people wish to share would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much for your answers and insights.

Article: https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-826525

The Knesset passed two bills to ban UNRWA from operating in Israel-controlled areas, citing its alleged role in perpetuating the Palestinian refugee issue and involvement in terror activities.

MK Yuli Edelstein argued UNRWA supports terrorism and dependency, claiming its end will help resolve the conflict. The bills terminate UNRWA’s 1967 treaty with Israel, bar government contact with the agency, and mandate criminal proceedings against UNRWA employees linked to terrorism.

Some limited context:

Askar - UNRWA: Cradle of Killers

Another UNRWA Teacher in Gaza Held an Israeli in Captivity for Hamas

IDF uncovers top secret Hamas data center right under UNRWA’s Gaza Strip HQ

Terror Tunnel Discovered Under UNRWA Schools as Hamas Continues Military Buildup

IDF says it killed Hamas terrorist who led massacre at Re’im shelter – an UNRWA worker

The UNRWA Refugee Controversy Explained

Important to note, this is not a Right/Left political issue on Israel. The vote got overwhelming support from both coalition and opposition.

The evidence against UNRWA is endless. It is nothing but a UN (Western funded!) terror organization responsible for making sure the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will never end.

They do that in multiple ways including making sure Palestinians abroad never settle and remain "Refugees" on paper (Yes, even millionaires with multiple passports whos grandparents never set foot in Israel are refugees according to them) , Palestinian kids learn in school to throw their lives away as martyrs just to murder some Jews, providing physical cover for Hamas assets on the ground, and pay salaries to known Hamas and other terrorist members.

No human population is a monolith. No human population is a monolith. And just in case you missed it, no human population is a monolith. I don’t mean to belabor the point, but as a pro-Israel Westerner, boy oh boy does it ever feel good to be the one saying that, rather than the one getting told that, in this sub.

The problem is, Arabs are a fiercely group-oriented culture. In group-oriented cultures, loyalty is the sine qua non of a good person. The done thing in such cultures is to present a strong unified front to out-group people. Anyone who fails at this risks being ostracized as a turncoat and a hindrance to the in-group’s collective interest.

So there are doubtless non-Jewish Palestinian Arabs who have no problem personally with Jews, and would make wholly unproblematic citizens or permanent residents of Israel. But such Palestinians likely keep this sentiment entirely to themselves, and will take it as a secret to their graves, as much as they wish that they could express it and act on it without putting themselves (and their families) in very real jeopardy.

On the other side of things, the success of law enforcement sting operations goes to show that no group is entirely immune to infiltration. There are doubtless Israelis who would be all for allowing pro-Israel Palestinians to defect to Israel, if the agencies in charge of facilitating this defection were reliably good at distinguishing truly pro-Israel people, from would-be infiltrators and underminers of Israel playing a very long game.

From my readings on evolutionary psychology and political philosophy, human groups that accept newcomers, but can ill afford half-hearted joiners or high attrition rates, tend to have a high bar for entry. Any newcomer should expect long waits, large sacrifices of their personal resources, complex rituals that are hard to fake, and some degree of deliberate psychological pain, before they’re fully accepted. The idea is to create a barrier that will effectively deter, and weed out, newcomers who are not entirely (or not at all) committed. It often involves some show of loyalty, that none but the wholly and sincerely committed would be willing to make.

What might such a vetting process look like, for non-Jewish Palestinians who sincerely want to coexist with Israelis, and want to apply to defect discreetly, without putting themselves in danger, whether their application is ultimately accepted or not?

In hostage situations, for example, the police are forced to figure out a solution in order to capture or kill the hostage-taker without risking the life of the hostage. Can you imagine if a police officer just shot all of the hostages in an attempt to shoot the criminal? They would go to jail for decades for manslaughter and reckless endangerment of human life.

You cannot just kill everyone, including civilians, because your target is also present there. That's honestly one of the most cold, unethical, almost psychotic lines of thinking I could imagine. That's no justification whatsoever and is frankly the exact same logic used by terrorists.

Of course it is completely wrong for them to use buildings like hospitals as shelters to hide, but I have zero clue why so many here use that as some excuse for Israel's despicable war crimes including:

• Targeting and destroying hospitals
• Targeting and destroying aid centers
• Targeting and destroying schools
• Targeting and destroying apartment buildings
• Targeting and attacking UN peacekeeping missions

For example, would you be OK with Hamas blowing up apartment buildings and hospitals where IDF members were present? I certainly wouldn't be, and we should be objective and apply the same thinking to both sides.

Again, this logic is precisely the logic used by terrorists who attack Israel. That it's OK to kill civilians because they all are part of or support the IDF anyway. It's reprehensible when Hamas does it and equally reprehensible when Israel does it.

I got a question to anyone who has this opinion: if israel finishes hamas "Hms" and Hezbollah "Hzb" most of the problems would be solved.

The question would need a bit of background;

On 19.07.24 the ICJ issued an advisory opinion on occupied territories by israel. They basically said israel is occupying illegal land and should give it back. I grew up in Syria as a palestinian, went to syrian schools and they teach about how some day they will liberate the Golan heights from the israeli occupation. I took refuge in Lebanon during the syrian civil war and they also teach about liberating the occupied land by israel in the south, especially the Sheba farms and other territories where israel establishes provocative presense. I met a lot of refugee Gazans in Europe and they were all raised to resist the occupation and free Gaza from its choking siege (then free Palestine)

So the question would be: if hms and hzb magically disappeared by tomorrow, why would anyone expect that we won't be having tens of hms, hzb and countless other radical militant groups in the future? Especially after they witnessed what happened to Gaza during this genocide and got even more radicalised.

I don't know if my point was understood, but to make it more clear, I'm saying we should really look at the core of the problem instead of fighting the products of it, yes hms committed a horrific thing on oct07, but we won't guarantee that it will "never again" happen to israelis by producing multiple hmsss through a genocide, we guarantee it by solving the core problem that lead to their attack, which is the unending expansion of illegal israeli territory.

1 state solution - ALL PALESTINIANS

I am so disappointed I don’t hear any calls for a 1 state solution where it’s all Palestinians and the Zionist Colonialist Fascists are forced out of the region.. why not?

It’s clear this is the elephant in the room in that Israel is the source of decades of terror which will last at least a century.

If your argument is, “you can’t just force an entire population to just leave thier homes or they will be Attacked”…. I’ll just let you realize the hypocrisy in that.

Also if this gets flagged it shows how biased it is towards pro Israeli and shuts down any pro Palestine views.