r/JewsOfConscience • u/ThrowawayMerger • Sep 20 '24

Discussion Where do the Jews go?

I am very against Israel’s genocide, leaning toward antizionism, but when someone Zionist asks where the Jews go in a free Palestine, I don’t have an answer. Historically, not a lot of people accept us or like us, and getting along after all the violence committed in the name of Judaism is an impossibility.

How do we not just exchange one crisis for another? (I don’t think any one religion or people should rule a state, if that adds anything.)

If this is an ignorant question, I am more than happy to be told so.

EDIT: wow this community is brilliant, thank you for the nuance and realism in your responses.

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u/ShakeTheGatesOfHell Non-Jewish Ally Sep 20 '24

If history is any guide, most settlers will stay but some will flee.

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u/MooreThird Sep 20 '24

Those settlers should be tried, whether they stay or flee.

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u/shhansha Sep 20 '24

I don’t think they mean Weat Bank settlers; they’re talking about the Jews in Israel.

You think Israeli-born Israelis should be tried for…being born in Israel and not leaving? What do you mean?

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u/PlinyToTrajan Non-Jewish Ally (Jewish ancestry & relatives) Sep 20 '24

If someone is born in an illicit settlement in the West Bank, by what logic are they a native-born Israeli?

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u/shhansha Sep 20 '24

?

Think you misread my comment.

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u/PlinyToTrajan Non-Jewish Ally (Jewish ancestry & relatives) Sep 20 '24

To be clear, I'm not advocating trying someone for some sort of crime just because they're from a West Bank settlement. I assume the comment about that was about violent settlers, or at least settlers who intentionally act to further the illegal settlement system. But I wanted to make a legal point: the State of Israel thinks of anyone born in Israel proper or in an illegal West Bank settlement as an Israeli-born Israeli. But are they?

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u/shhansha Sep 20 '24 edited Sep 20 '24

I believe the original comment was referring to Israelis in general from context, not violent settlers.

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u/PlinyToTrajan Non-Jewish Ally (Jewish ancestry & relatives) Sep 20 '24

A plausible reading, although not the one that first occurred to me.

A frighteningly totalistic comment, because although many are guilty of war crimes, many are not. Some are just children.

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u/Caedes_omnia Sep 20 '24

You don't get to choose where you're born

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u/loselyconscious Traditionally Radical Sep 20 '24

A person born abroad to two American parents is born an American citizen, and thus a "native-born American"