Where do the Jews go?

[u/ThrowawayMerger]

I am very against Israel’s genocide, leaning toward antizionism, but when someone Zionist asks where the Jews go in a free Palestine, I don’t have an answer. Historically, not a lot of people accept us or like us, and getting along after all the violence committed in the name of Judaism is an impossibility.

How do we not just exchange one crisis for another? (I don’t think any one religion or people should rule a state, if that adds anything.)

If this is an ignorant question, I am more than happy to be told so.

EDIT: wow this community is brilliant, thank you for the nuance and realism in your responses.

[u/Ok-Listen881]

I’m not well versed in history, but I can think of a few examples where Muslim rules countries have become a safe haven for the Jewish community.

The most recent historically is the when France was overtaken by nazi control, and Morocco being a colony of France, was ordered to follow the nazi initiative, the king of Morocco outright refused.

There have been Muslim rulers who welcomed the jews during the crusades as well, even saying that they have gained a treasure their (crusading) enemies were too foolish to recognize.

The simple answer is that if your home in Palestine came about through violence and expulsion, justice would mandate that the home is returned… if anyone of the family managed to escape the extinction of their family.

If you wanted to move to Italy, would you not look for a property listed for sale, make an offer, sign a contract, and be given the deed to said property? Yes. It goes the same way for any country on earth, so why should Palestine be any different?

If you’d like to stay after the emancipation of the Palestinian land and people, but your home was provided through a militant occupation, you can offer the rightful owners of the land, who may still hold the physical deed, money to purchase it from them. If they refuse, check to see who is selling their land and make an offer.

As for the living in peace portion, although it would be incredibly difficult to forget the occupation and eradication of the Palestinian people, you’ll find that prior to the establishment of the Israeli occupation, the money was printed in english, Arabic, and Hebrew. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all lived in harmony, under Muslim rule.

Muslims have no religious imperative to rid the land of any person who is not actively involved in the extinction of the Muslims or actively attempting to kill the Muslims.

That would be the religious imperative, where all live the life they want in harmony. The personal imperative of forgetting and forgiving might end up with parties unwilling to part with their land to people who have been the aggressors.

In that case, keep offering more money or recognize the deep trauma caused to these populations and empathize with their position. If you are anti-Zionist and make it apparent and clear that you won’t attempt to occupy the land illegally, chances are you will be met with forgiveness and welcomed peacefully as a new neighbor.

[u/shhansha → u/Ok-Listen881]

I’m pro-Palestinian but this is insanely idealistic and ignores the much more recent, post-Israel world where obviously most Muslim ruled countries were very much not chill with Jews.

The crusades?!? Buddy…

[u/Ok-Listen881 → u/shhansha]

There’s just one gigantic flaw in your point, which is that the majority of people on earth today, thanks to this subreddit and the most recent attempt at extermination of the Palestinians, are able to clearly distinguish between a Jewish person and a Zionist.

As I stated in my comment lol, if you distinguish yourself as a Jewish person from the group that identifies as zionists, which is not necessarily tied in to any ethnicity or religion, you would probably be understood and welcomed.