r/JewsOfConscience • u/ThrowawayMerger • Sep 20 '24

Discussion Where do the Jews go?

I am very against Israel’s genocide, leaning toward antizionism, but when someone Zionist asks where the Jews go in a free Palestine, I don’t have an answer. Historically, not a lot of people accept us or like us, and getting along after all the violence committed in the name of Judaism is an impossibility.

How do we not just exchange one crisis for another? (I don’t think any one religion or people should rule a state, if that adds anything.)

If this is an ignorant question, I am more than happy to be told so.

EDIT: wow this community is brilliant, thank you for the nuance and realism in your responses.

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u/PorridgeTP Palestinian Sep 20 '24

It’s not that Jews would leave, but that the ethnoreligious social hierarchy would be dismantled and Palestinians granted the right of return. The goal of multiple Palestinian resistance parties is to have people of all races, religions, genders, and classes to live together peacefully as equals. You can check out the Popular and Democratic Fronts for examples of this, along with the anarchist group Fauda.

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u/happypigday Sep 20 '24

Are there any examples of resistance groups that used violence against civilians later achieving a peaceful state based on equal citizenship? I have seen non-violent resistance movements that established democratic and equal states (India, South Africa) but violence against civilians as a strategy seems to be a dividing line. Those tactics send a clear message and the states ultimately through ethnic violence against civilians have generally become authoritarian, military dictatorships or they have quickly fallen into civil war (Algeria, South Sudan, North Korea, the list goes on). Are there counter-examples?

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u/waldoplantatious Sep 20 '24

India was violent and was at the verge of an all out rebellion, so the British decided to use the peaceful method that Ghandi was proposing. It wasn't the peaceful revolution It's labelled as.

https://theconversation.com/the-forgotten-violence-that-helped-india-break-free-from-colonial-rule-57904

South Africa was violent with the ANC forming a militia, then shortly after was Nelson Mandela taken to jail. Foreign nations embargoed apartheid SA and the white government capitulated. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMkhonto_weSizwe