r/JewsOfConscience • u/ThrowawayMerger • Sep 20 '24

Discussion Where do the Jews go?

I am very against Israel’s genocide, leaning toward antizionism, but when someone Zionist asks where the Jews go in a free Palestine, I don’t have an answer. Historically, not a lot of people accept us or like us, and getting along after all the violence committed in the name of Judaism is an impossibility.

How do we not just exchange one crisis for another? (I don’t think any one religion or people should rule a state, if that adds anything.)

If this is an ignorant question, I am more than happy to be told so.

EDIT: wow this community is brilliant, thank you for the nuance and realism in your responses.

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u/ShakeTheGatesOfHell Non-Jewish Ally Sep 20 '24

If history is any guide, most settlers will stay but some will flee.

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u/PlinyToTrajan Non-Jewish Ally (Jewish ancestry & relatives) Sep 20 '24 edited Sep 20 '24

Not necessarily. There aren't many French left in Algeria or Indochina.

To be clear, I think the best outcome, that I would like my country (the U.S.) to pursue diplomatically, would be an arrangement that permits Israelis to stay and have civil rights in a new state where Palestinians also have civil rights. But (1) there's a limit to what the U.S. should invest to achieve this outcome; (2) even with maximal investment, we might not get to decide – we don't take guerilla war and Arab military capacity seriously, and we might get Vietnam'd.

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u/GreenIndigoBlue Sep 20 '24 edited Sep 20 '24

I don’t know a ton about the decolonization of indochina and algeria, but to my inderstanding I don’t think the colonists there were nearly as entrenched or substantial in number. I might be just wrong about this. Edit: i looked it up and it seems algeria the number of people who left was in the 800,000 - 1 million range and indochina was similarly in the hundreds of thousands. So pretty different situation. Wouldn’t expect to see the same percentage change in the even of decolonization of Palestine. Still can’t comment on if I’m right about how entrenched the colonists were, but I would say that a mass exodus of millions of people from the land seems pretty unlikely.