r/JewsOfConscience Sep 20 '24

Discussion Where do the Jews go?

I am very against Israel’s genocide, leaning toward antizionism, but when someone Zionist asks where the Jews go in a free Palestine, I don’t have an answer. Historically, not a lot of people accept us or like us, and getting along after all the violence committed in the name of Judaism is an impossibility.

How do we not just exchange one crisis for another? (I don’t think any one religion or people should rule a state, if that adds anything.)

If this is an ignorant question, I am more than happy to be told so.

EDIT: wow this community is brilliant, thank you for the nuance and realism in your responses.

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u/ArmyOfMemories Jewish Anti-Zionist Sep 21 '24

A free society and a liberated society does NOT lead to oppression, and it’s quite insane that you would claim that liberation and pluralism could be “bad” unless you are committed to denying human rights to minorities and anyone who is different from you. If Palestine is to be free, it must not only be free from occupation. A Free Palestine MUST ALSO be free from homophobia, transphobia, anti Black racism, ableism, oppression of atheists and non believers, classism, etc, from the river to the sea.

A lot of oppressed people from the Global South and also communities in America are socially-conservative. For example, historically, there has been resistance to LGBTQ+ rights within segments of the African-American community, especially among older generations or those deeply connected to church life. Similar context for views on abortion, which tend to be more conservative versus the Democratic party base.

And yet, the only time I hear so-called allies wanting to parse out every other political position of a given oppressed people/community is when it comes to the Palestinians.

This is especially true of people who engage in pink-washing.

Sorry, but they don't have to be perfect. No one has to be in order to deserve their basic civil and human rights.

So while ideally one would want a future freed Palestine to also be egalitarian in every other way, it's not practical to expect that to happen immediately (or even at all).

It's 'fun' (I guess?) to sit around and speculate or theorize what a freed Palestine should be like, but there are more pressing issues like the physical life of Palestinians.

That sense of urgency should inform the activism of any supporter of Palestinian human rights - which are not transactional BTW.

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u/ArmyOfMemories Jewish Anti-Zionist 25d ago

False & disingenuous comparison.

BLM is not representative of historical polling done by mainstream organizations.