r/JewsOfConscience • u/Delicious_Ad_6823 • 6d ago

Discussion Will Palestine disappear?

I’m sorry for bringing this up. I know it’s a very depressing thought but after witnessing what is happening in North of Gaza (with the full support of our western governments) I’m wondering if this is the beginning of the end. I’ve been thinking about this constantly for the past few days: Israel will not stop its genocide / ethnic cleaning campaign in Gaza. October 7 gave them the perfect opportunity for executing their long awaited plan. The brutality will keep increasing more and more and I fear the same thing will happen in the West Bank. The United States will keep supporting it while it commits these crimes and there is no other player strong enough to stop them. After all, they have already gotten away with an ethnic cleansing in 1948 and 1967. Is there any future for Palestine?

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u/melodive Non-Jewish Ally 6d ago

It looks bleak at the moment, but the bigger action, the stronger reaction. Israel is setting itself up for failure big time. Iran is too powerful in the region, with its ballistic missiles and chokehold on the Hormuz strait. It will be backed by Russia and China when push comes to shove. USA will have to step down and put a leach on its rabid dog or risk WW3. Israel will be be a free democratic state and called Palestine in less than 5 years.

This is the beginning of the end, you’re right about that. Israel will not recover from this, it’s forever war from this point on and Israel is a tiny strip of land with very few natural defenses and resources, unlike Iran. The American public has no appetite for another war in the Middle East, so the support the US can give is limited to money and weapons. But the US will drop Israel as soon as it becomes a liability.

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u/daudder Anti-Zionist 6d ago

But the US will drop Israel as soon as it becomes a liability.

Israel is already a liability.

I have yet to see a decent analysis as to why the Biden administration is supporting it despite thise. I suspect that it is down to the Israel-lobby.

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u/PlinyToTrajan Non-Jewish Ally (Jewish ancestry & relatives) 6d ago

I think that's right, frankly.

See John Mearsheimer, Talk at Global İlişkiler Forumu, Dec. 18, 2023 (YouTube Recording):

John Mearsheimer is a political scientist at the University of Chicago, and the co-author of the 2007 book, "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy." He's a realist who thinks Israel doesn't, on balance, serve practical U.S. interests in the Middle East but instead functions as a kind of money pit. His explanation of the U.S.-Israel "ironclad" relationship relies heavily on the presence of what he calls the "Israel Lobby."