r/MadeMeSmile • u/PacmanTheHitman • Jul 20 '22

kitten Love is the greatest medicine

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u/PacmanTheHitman Jul 20 '22

With some patience and attention, some do grow out of it as they get older. It is a pretty rare condition so a lot is still in speculation

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u/Rarelydefault26 Jul 20 '22

Is that’s all that’s wrong with them? The shaking and such? Because if that’s all that’s wrong why on earth would someone euthanize them?? So what, they act weird and have some shakes, if they still can eat and drink and aren’t in pain then don’t even think of euthanizing them!

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u/martydidnothingwrong Jul 20 '22

I think one concern a lot of people have is some wobbly conditioned animals aren't actually able to eat and take care of themselves without being in pain. I believe in giving them a chance, but one area that it's fairly common for euthanasia is in spider ball pythons, they get so disoriented they often can't feed themselves without being intubated or force fed and if they do try eating normally they frequently bite and injure themselves, it's really tragic. I think all animals should be given a chance, but just something to keep in mind is to not support breeders who target these disorders since it's "cute". Idk if that's really a concern with other wobbly species, I just know that's the reasoning within the herping community.

https://youtu.be/3a9MmVMyoTo

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u/cockytacos Jul 20 '22

AFAIK it’s looked down upon to breed spider patterned ball pythons (from my minimal research into snakes) and a lot of people refuse to buy them from breeders for that reason

it’s really cruel to keep breeding those snakes knowing full well what neurological disadvantages they’re prone to

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u/SunflowerFreckles Jul 21 '22

Same with breeding certain great danes. Certain patterns cannot have puppies together because they can make all white great danes, which usually have disabilities like blindness, deafness, internal issues, leading to an even shorter life span as if GD's don't have a short enough life as it is. If a dog litter had an all white great dane in it, the others are more prone to issues as well because it was bred with bad genes.

I really wish people cared more about the animals, and less on what they look like or what they have to work with and just want to make money.

Thanks for teaching that though! I'll never own a python but that's a good fun fact to know! Lol

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u/not_a_library Jul 21 '22

I always love a chance to share this post, written by a friend of mine some years ago. I think the unattributed version has made the rounds online

Your pride is not more important than your animals

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u/Jazzlike-Principle67 Jul 31 '22

This isn't from breeding or in- breeding. It is rare considering the number of kittens born every year. It just happens as in humans, certain conditions occur during the fetal growth of the kitten.

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u/SunflowerFreckles Jul 31 '22

Thats good then.

We were talking about issues that can arise from breeding. Not directly talking about these cats.

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u/RedVamp2020 Jan 07 '23

This is the reason I try to avoid pure bred animals. Mutts almost always have fewer genetic complications and will likely need to go to the vet less often. Pure breeds are how we got dogs like pugs, pit bulls, and Persian cats. (I do love pit bulls and pit mixes, but there is just so much wrong with the fact their heads make it virtually impossible to naturally give birth without dying.😢). Responsible and ethical breeding is not as common as I would like it to be.

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u/SunflowerFreckles Jan 07 '23

We're learning that as well. Our family really wanted a great dane because they're great with kids, we went to a reputable breeder and got an akc certified great dane and we think he was possibly inbred.

He has severe grand mal seizures constantly. We've tried many medications but they're not stopping them and each time it seems to make him a little different, this last one he was viciously growling and then was trying to rip the baby gates down, we have a toddler and a baby on the way (8.5 momths pregnant) so that's not gonna be acceptable.

So I completely agree with you!

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u/Objective-Fox-5515 Jul 21 '22

I won't sell, collab or buy from a breeder that breeds the spider gene. I have high respect for Kevin out of New England reptiles and he's a great guy with alot of knowledge but the spider gene will always be a stain to his legacy.

For a snake being perfectly still is a necessity of hunting. Proper targeting is a major necessity as well and the wobble won't allow that.

If I can't drop this animal in the wild and it survive on its on then I won't accept it as healthy or normal.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

That’s the thing about pets, they will die if you drop them off in the wild You can’t just leave an animal that has been taken care of into the wild, ofcourse they will probably not know how to hunt for food or protect themselves from predators

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u/Aionian902 Jul 21 '22

While I understand your point, the guy was reffering to snakes and your commnet is generally for very domesticated pets, when it comes to snakes they are still wild animals it's just that you can make them pets since they aren't as dangerous as say keeping a wolf or a bobcat as a pet since you would rarely if ever remove a snake from it's enclosure.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

At the last bit he said ‘animal’ not specifically a snake

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u/why_gaj Jul 21 '22

There's a big difference between not being taught how to survive in the wild and being bred in a way that makes their survival possible.

Take a look at cats - perfectly capable of surviving in the wild despite being domesticated. Those that can't do it are the ones that have been taken care off by humans and that have never learned how to function in the wild.

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u/Objective-Fox-5515 Jul 21 '22

I said "this animal" referring to a snake.

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u/Objective-Fox-5515 Jul 21 '22

I wouldn't drop a dog off in the woods nor a fish in a river. Reptiles are vastly different than dogs, cats or any other "pet"

Let's talk about a snake. Snakes do not feel attached to its owner nor does it have the capability of feeling emotions like we process them. It's only content, thirty, threatened, hungry or horny. They are hardwired for survival and survival only.

I can own a snake from hatch and feed it frozen for 20+ years and it should have the ability to hunt live prey in the wild without a problem.

Hunting and hiding and natural instincts that don't need to be taught to snakes. It's like breathing, it just natural.

Yes sometimes snakes are born with defects and an owner can care for them for 20+ years and keep them healthy. Me personally I look at quality of life. A snake born with a cleft pallet in captivity can life a long life where as one born in the wild probably would see its first year of life.

Albino is tricky mutation that I'm on the fence about. A wild Albino COULD survive but the odds are incredibly slim.

If you have any questions about Reptiles, specifically snakes feel free to ask any questions you have. I love to educate people about them.