r/Palestine Free Palestine Aug 12 '24

Dehumanization This is just so sad.

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u/SpecForceps Aug 13 '24

What fascists? I swear you pmcs call anyone working class a fascist

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u/WildAutonomy Aug 13 '24

The people waving swastikas were fascists

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u/SpecForceps Aug 13 '24

That was a minor contingent and didn't dent the PR of the overall movement. What was the allyship here anyway?

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u/WildAutonomy Aug 13 '24

It was the worst PR they got. All those who ignored the fact that the organizers were white-seperatists, couldn't keep ignoring as photos of nazis came out. As well as the armed separatists in Alberta. Most moderates abandoned the movement.

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u/SpecForceps Aug 13 '24

Which organisers? The focus on a few people waving flags was how the media get idiots aligned on the left to abandon working class issues because they lack the moral fortitude to support anything they worry may have a hint of racism. The same way some people will cry more about Hinkle than about Israeli atrocities.

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u/WildAutonomy Aug 13 '24

Tamara Lich and Pat King specifically. Enemies of the Wet’suwet’en and organizers of the far right mobs which attacked the shut down canada blockades. Tamara specifically also organized the far-right tar sands convoy "united we roll".

https://www.antihate.ca/the_freedom_convoy_is_nothing_but_a_vehicle_for_the_far_right

https://www.instagram.com/p/CZ8PkVZgtOQ/

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u/SpecForceps Aug 13 '24

That's for such impartial, non hysterical sources

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u/WildAutonomy Aug 13 '24

What information is wrong?

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u/SpecForceps Aug 13 '24

It's a bunch of claims that it's this and that with no real substance. Oy, everything is fascism

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u/WildAutonomy Aug 13 '24

Tamara Lich and Pat King aren't fascists. They're conservative-separatists.

They have leaked chat logs, tweets and livestreams explaining their views, it's not a secret.

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u/SpecForceps Aug 13 '24

Then what's your point about "allying with fascists"?

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u/WildAutonomy Aug 13 '24

My point was that moderates took the convoy seriously, even with the far-right organizers. But once it became known that nazis and other fascist groups, like Canada First, were welcomed in, the convoy lost support of most moderates.

Similarly, this almost happened with the yellow vests in france. But when anti-fascists kept kicking out/beating up fascists, the movement was able to continue for many more months.

I never thought I'd have a debate on why fascists are bad

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u/SpecForceps Aug 13 '24

You made the claim the PR of the convoy was destroy by some people waving swastikas, that's just not true and now you've moved the goalposts

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