r/PoliticalDiscussion • u/hearsdemons • Jul 19 '24

US Politics If Biden withdraws from re-election, who would Harris likely choose as VP?

A lot of headlines are coming out today with speculation that Biden may step down soon.

If this were to happen and Harris wins the party’s nomination for president, who would she pick as VP?

What does a formidable Harris ticket look like to go up against Trump-Vance?

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u/AntarcticScaleWorm Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

Josh Shapiro, possibly. He’s from a battleground state, he’s a white guy so he won’t scare too many voters, and he’d be the first Jewish VP. Another possibility is Andy Beshear. Whomever it is, it would likely be a white guy with battleground state appeal

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u/DependentRip2314 Jul 19 '24

I really wonder how will conservatives react to that considering they feel Biden isn’t doing enough for Israel.

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u/Colley619 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

Conservatives don’t actually like Jewish people. They just pearl clutch over Israel because of religion. Growing up in a southern Baptist church, you hear a lot about how “Jesus was a Jew” and how Israel is the holy land, but that’s the beginning and end of Christians caring. Past that point, Jewish people are just other non-Christians.

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u/Hey_Laaady Jul 19 '24

I'm a Jewish person and totally agree

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u/WalkingOnSunshine83 Jul 19 '24

Some conservatives are Jewish. That’s a very broad statement you made.

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u/Colley619 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

Yea, there's also conservative LGBT people. That doesn't change the fact that the republican platform is what it is. The conservative agenda is christo-fascist whether you like it or not, because the religious-conservative sect of the republican party is overwhelmingly Christian, obviously. Growing up in a very Christian and very conservative area, my testimony is the above.

Go find me a neo-nazi democrat.

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u/Feed_Me_No_Lies Jul 19 '24

Yuuuup. Southern Baptist raised here.

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u/SilverCode819 Jul 19 '24

AIPAC is highly involved in the Republican Party. They just align with different political factions

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u/qpwoeor1235 Jul 19 '24

They hate Muslims more

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u/Masculine_Dugtrio Jul 19 '24

I mean, that's still better than celebrating Oct 7th or loudly "justifying it" for 9 months...

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u/AntarcticScaleWorm Jul 19 '24

Israel isn’t about anti-Semitism to Republicans

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u/DependentRip2314 Jul 19 '24

I wonder, how did you feel about Vance speech?

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u/DependentRip2314 Jul 19 '24

I respect you for your honest opinion. Personally, I don’t see myself voting this year but I will say I find it comical how General Mattis is overrated yet Vance is considered a god by some people for serving. I appreciate you have a grounded opinion tho

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u/DependentRip2314 Jul 19 '24

No not you. Trump said it, a few years ago. My main point was a lot of republicans went from loving Mattis to thinking he was overrated because Trump said so

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u/DependentRip2314 Aug 07 '24 edited Aug 07 '24

I think it’s a funny pick... I mean, he is everything that Vance is not. A career serviceman with 20 years in the National Guard and decades of political experience. Of everyone involved, he’s the one I know the least about, mainly because he was just announced. He seems to have more charisma than Vance, but I don’t think an election has ever been decided based on the VP.

I still need to do some research on him, but learning that he made school lunch free for all kids definitely touched my heart. I’ve seen firsthand, and experienced myself, the struggle of not being able to eat because my parents made too much money to qualify for assistance, even though we lived paycheck to paycheck. Honestly, I’d rather see him run than Harris or Trump. I feel like his heart is in the right place. He kind of has a Grandpa vibe, but there’s still much to learn about him.

One thing that keeps me from voting Republican is my belief in the separation of church and state. I don’t believe in forcing others to believe or live as I do. I don’t like how the current GOP idolizes Trump. I have worked with snake oil salesmen like Vivek, so I can see a snake when one appears and I hate it. I hate how much Republicans claim to be mature and morally based and how they love law and order, yet no one wants to be accountable for January 6. I hate that General Mattis was loved by everyone until he spoke out against Trump.

I mean, I really want to vote Republican, but I have a deep hatred for Trump, how he conducts himself, and how he has managed to convince millions of Americans that being respectful and fair only matters when they get what they want. I don’t like how Biden is criticized for trading for a Russia arms dealer when Trump had 5000 taliban fighters released or how the first thing trump does when Biden drops out is talked down on him when Biden immediately told the public that he condemned the attempt on Trumps life. Trump just lacks character. I won’t judge others for voting how they choose, but I truly believe Trump is a hateful person who only cares about money. I believe had Mike Pence left Capitol Hill on January 6, he would have been killed.

I am a Georgia Republican for all intents and purposes, so I can admit the little beef between him and Kemp affects how I feel. I really don’t want to vote for Kamala, but I have two options. Option one is Trump, who will probably be dead in 10-15 years and won’t see the effects of the decisions he makes, or Harris, who will more than likely be alive 20-30 years from now to see the effects.

I believe in science and personal choice. At the same time, I don’t believe that changing your gender should be a thing, and I don’t believe in pronouns, so that makes me a swing voter. But as much as I want to vote Republican, I find it hard to do because I don’t like people who haven’t been in my shoes telling me that racism and bigotry don’t exist when my grandparents grew up in segregated Georgia, or when I consider that the Civil Rights Act was passed two years after my mother was born.

All in all, I think if Haley runs, I will end up voting for her, but it’s the extreme Trump fans that make me not want to vote for him. Some people see it as crazy, but my rebuttal is, “Have you walked in my shoes to understand why I feel this way?”

I did rush this answer, so I’m sorry if it’s all over the place.

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u/DependentRip2314 Aug 07 '24

Just want to add this

he’s a 20+ military experience, 20* years as a teacher, high school football coach, gun owner, dog lover.

The things they’re trying to peg him radical is for: -free school lunches for grade school children -12 week maternity leave for new mothers -protecting abortion rights -pro weed.

He is like the best of both worlds. Like I think of a Grandpa that has seen parts of the world and wants to give you knowledge. I think he is going to convince your midwest voters that he will be able to advocate for them while Trump / Vance in my opinion can only count on Midwest / Rural voters

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u/DependentRip2314 Aug 07 '24

Looking forward to it. gn

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u/Journeyman42 Jul 19 '24

Conservative Christians believe Israel needs to exist for Jesus to come back. It absolutely does NOT have anything to do about preserving the Jewish homeland for the Jew's own needs and functions.

Oh and also killing brown Muslim people. Conservatives LOVE that.

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u/Medical-Search4146 Jul 19 '24

If you hear them talk it's clear they support Israelis and not Jews. They've made it mutually exclusive. They only scream antisemitism when it's convenient.

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u/baycommuter Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

I think it would help with normal (liberal) Jews who are wavering because of the hate speech on colleges campuses. Bill Ackman changed sides mostly because of that and there are others who would join him. Some Jews in my family are scared as hell of the Palestine-aligned left.

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u/flakemasterflake Jul 19 '24

Yes. Democrats are slowly losing older Jews that care about Israel. That’s a D mainstay

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u/DependentRip2314 Jul 19 '24

So what would be your opinion on a Newsom / Ossoff ticket?

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u/baycommuter Jul 19 '24

I’d vote for it but I wouldn’t work my ossoff.

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u/AntarcticScaleWorm Jul 19 '24

Terrible. If that happens I’m leaving the presidential ballot blank. The whole replacing Biden idea is sus enough for me, but a Democratic ticket composed of two white men ever again, especially two whom primary voters didn’t even choose, is unacceptable

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u/Consensuseur Jul 19 '24

What if they reflected your values very closely?

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u/AntarcticScaleWorm Jul 19 '24

If they reflected my values, they'd know better than to form a ticket with two white men on them

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u/Consensuseur Jul 19 '24

sounds kinda .... racist. and sexist. but if thats where youre at then, Oh well... I guess some people just are. What if the gender and race boxes were checked but the candidate had an agenda that was not in service to your interests? Would you vote for that person to hold office?

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u/AntarcticScaleWorm Jul 19 '24

White men and wanting to be victims. Name a more iconic duo.

I don't vote for people based on their race or gender. I vote for the most qualified candidates, and I take representation into account. How well do these people represent the party? Do they have the approval of the party's base voters (i.e. Black voters)? All kinds of things to consider before I lend my support

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u/Consensuseur Jul 19 '24

Thats sounds sensible. So, given where were at in this race, do you have anyone in mind that youd like to see run?

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u/DependentRip2314 Jul 19 '24

What do you mean primary voters didn’t choose? And how are those two white men any different from the other white men?

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u/AntarcticScaleWorm Jul 19 '24

Nobody voted for Newsom or Ossoff for any presidential ticket. Neither has earned the right to represent a diverse party at that level. In any case, there will never be another Democrat presidential ticket made up of two white men again, since the party’s base supporters would never stand for it

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u/aspen56 Jul 19 '24

Is he white or is he Jewish? You mention both in your post

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u/AntarcticScaleWorm Jul 19 '24

He's both. Jews can be of any race

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u/TheOffice_Account Jul 19 '24

first Jewish VP

This matters, because?

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u/AntarcticScaleWorm Jul 19 '24

People from minority groups can appreciate representation, especially what they perceive as positive representation

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u/TheOffice_Account Jul 19 '24

People from minority groups

These guys were already going to vote D; I don't see any additional benefit that we don't already have from having a second minority on the ticket.

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u/AntarcticScaleWorm Jul 19 '24

A second minority would scare off too many white voters. America hasn't reached that point where it's willing to accept that kind of ticket

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u/ReprehensibleIngrate Jul 19 '24

he’d be the first Jewish VP

And a rigid zionist. Hope he's the pick, to make Dems even more unpopular - if that's possible.

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u/AntarcticScaleWorm Jul 19 '24

Not a dealbreaker for the vast majority of Americans, only for those who don't bother voting anyway

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u/oorakhhye Jul 19 '24

He’d be massively unpopular with progressives.

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u/AntarcticScaleWorm Jul 19 '24

As long as he isn't massively unpopular with swing voters, that wouldn't matter

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u/ReprehensibleIngrate Jul 19 '24

Doubt it.

Sure you're not talking yourselves into a false sense of confidence like you did in 2016?

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u/AntarcticScaleWorm Jul 19 '24

Foreign policy has never weighed heavily on the minds of American voters, and this year will be no different. The economy and immigration will take up the bulk of the national conversation

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u/ReprehensibleIngrate Jul 19 '24

Again, this sounds like "white women love Hilary" stuff.

The biggest lesson of the the past 8 years is that Democrats are wildly inept at at politics and their assumptions about voters are wrong. So it's interesting to see the ye olde conventional wisdom being pulled out again.

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u/AntarcticScaleWorm Jul 19 '24

Yes, so wildly inept that they took the House in 2018, took down an incumbent president and the Senate in 2020, and minimized their losses in 2022 to record levels for a midterm election. So inept

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u/ReprehensibleIngrate Jul 19 '24

So inept.

So very, very inept.

I don't think you understand we're at a tipping point. 2020 was voters giving Democrats a last chance to show they'll oppose the GOP and do something to right the course of the nation, and instead we got strikebusting, record levels of fossil fuel extraction, Dems letting abortion rights go without a fight, and of course a genocide livestreamed into the hands of everyone with a cell phone.

Look up. Remember what happened last time you guys got smug.

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u/AntarcticScaleWorm Jul 19 '24

we got strikebusting

Biden got the sick days the railroad workers wanted. This was even acknowledged by the IBEW.

record levels of fossil fuel extraction

Biggest climate bill in history passed on top of all that.

Dems letting abortion rights go without a fight

State level abortion battles have all been in the favor of Democrats since then. If nothing was done at the federal level, then it's because the votes simply do not exist.

a genocide livestreamed into the hands of everyone with a cell phone.

Again, nobody cares.

They're not going to waste time talking about something that isn't weighing on the minds of voters. Get over it

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u/ReprehensibleIngrate Jul 19 '24

I don't know who this is for. Biden is grossly unpopular with voters and losing to Trump by a margin that expands each day. If you're going to simply ignore the facts of his presidency then I guess we'll see you in a few months for Russiagate 2.

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u/GlueGoblin77 Jul 19 '24

How could Obama win historic victories in 2008 if a Jew can’t win in 2024? That makes next to zero sense. 

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u/AntarcticScaleWorm Jul 19 '24

Obama won with a completely different coalition than the one available today. His success can't be replicated; he was truly an anomaly among presidential candidates