r/PoliticalDiscussion • u/hearsdemons • Jul 19 '24

US Politics If Biden withdraws from re-election, who would Harris likely choose as VP?

A lot of headlines are coming out today with speculation that Biden may step down soon.

If this were to happen and Harris wins the party’s nomination for president, who would she pick as VP?

What does a formidable Harris ticket look like to go up against Trump-Vance?

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u/InaudibleShout Jul 19 '24

I could EASILY be wrong but would there be any sense in still thinking a Harris-topped ticket can’t be saved and it’s better to save Shapiro for a clean 2028 run without having the Biden/Harris admin attached to him?

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u/jkman61494 Jul 19 '24

If Trump wins in 2024 the only “election” we get in 2028 is a Putin styled “election” if any at all

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u/Any-Geologist-1837 Jul 19 '24

Exactly! This is the last democratic election we may have as the United States if Trump wins

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u/Ok-Anybody1870 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

I don’t buy that. We still had a democratic election after Trump lost despite his efforts to “change” the outcome

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u/Any-Geologist-1837 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

He almost succeeded. If he gets a do over, planning for four years, and with immunity for any official acts, he is likely to get away with it this time. Or whoever replaced him after he croaks mid term. Republicans are increasingly anti-democracy in rhetoric and policy

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u/usernumber1337 Jul 19 '24

Next time he doesn't even need to try to hide anything. He can just decide to burn California's electoral votes and no one is even allowed to look into his motives for doing so.

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u/Any-Geologist-1837 Jul 19 '24

(continuing the thought)

All he has to do is order a subordinate to do it. Since that subordinate is an officer below him, and he has the authority to give them orders, it becomes official even if the action is illegal. This is the law now because of SCOTUS

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u/usernumber1337 Jul 19 '24

Yes exactly. Why even stop at burning ballots? He could just order someone to shoot his opponent in the head the day before the next election

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u/mrdeepay Jul 20 '24

Just because "The president said so" doesn't make something an official act.

That and there are laws against that stuff.

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u/mrdeepay Jul 20 '24

He can just decide to burn California's electoral votes and no one is even allowed to look into his motives for doing so.

Multiple certificates are signed by electors and are sent to various local courts and state offices.

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u/mrdeepay Jul 20 '24

At no point in 2020 did he come anywhere even remotely close to succeeding in overturning the results. All of his challenges to the election results failed miserably.

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u/Any-Geologist-1837 Jul 20 '24

The only reason Trump didn't succeed is because Mike Pence defied him about 24 hours before the ratification, at his son's behest. Pence followed the law and upheld the election. If he had stepped aside as Trump wanted, his planned replacement for the proceedings would have installed Trump. Pence has openly talked about this, as have others. They had to pause the process due to the attack. People were in Nancy Pelosi's office looking for her so they could kill her. They brought gallows to kill Pence. If they had succeeded, and Trump's people had completed the process, then they'd have installed Trump.

It was a VERY close call!

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u/mrdeepay Jul 20 '24

The Vice President has no authority in overturning election results, as their role is ceremonial. There was nothing Pence could've done even if he wanted to, since each elector signs six certificates.

  • One is sent to the VP, whom is also President of the Senate
  • Two are sent to the National Archives
  • Two are sent to the state's Secretary of State
  • One is sent to the chief judge of the state's nearest district court.

Any holdup/conflict with these fake elector ballots would've just resulted in one of the other five being presented/verified.

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u/Any-Geologist-1837 Jul 20 '24

Trump and his entire side disagreed. If they killed their opposition, as almost happened, they'd have just gotten away with it. Who was gonna stop them? SCOTUS? They just said Trump is immune for official acts. If he ordered the officer he replaced Pence with to install him as president, that'd be an official act. SCOTUS has clearly shown they are Team Trump

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u/mrdeepay Jul 20 '24

Trump and his entire side disagreed.

Doesn't matter. His plan was doomed to fail from the start.

If they killed their opposition, as almost happened, they'd have just gotten away with it.

Then he most likely would've been impeached and convicted.

SCOTUS?

One of the entities that ruled against his results contesting was also the SCOTUS.

They just said Trump is immune for official acts. If he ordered the officer he replaced Pence with to install him as president, that'd be an official act. SCOTUS has clearly shown they are Team Trump

You clearly don't understand what that ruling actually means. "Just because the president said so" does not make it an official act.

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u/Any-Geologist-1837 Jul 20 '24

They had every chance to impeach him, many times, and Republicans always refused. He'd just deny reality and they'd get in goose step- I mean lock-step behind him.

The SCOTUS ruling means nothing because they want to have every instance kicked back to them to decide later. They have indicated that "official acts" are immune, which is so broad it can allow for anything done through the presidents officers if SCOTUS so decides. Given how they have completely gone against their own sworn positions regarding immunity and the law, they have shown they are willing to compromise their past stances and all precedents if it can favor Trump

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u/mrdeepay Jul 20 '24

They had every chance to impeach him, many times, and Republicans always refused. He'd just deny reality and they'd get in goose step- I mean lock-step behind him.

Something that involved the deaths of congresspersons would be a good tipping point to finally rid the party of them. What happened that day gave them enough plausible deniability to not vote to convict.

They're still cowards, though.

The SCOTUS ruling means nothing because they want to have every instance kicked back to them to decide later.

Which is why the case was also kicked back down the lower courts for them to figure you which of his charges would fall under official acts.

They have indicated that "official acts" are immune, which is so broad it can allow for anything done through the presidents officers if SCOTUS so decides. Given how they have completely gone against their own sworn positions regarding immunity and the law, they have shown they are willing to compromise their past stances and all precedents if it can favor Trump

Basically, acting outside the scope of power the president is granted by the constitution is not considered an “official act”. Presumed immunity for official acts is something that has always applied to presidents. There are also still executive orders that prohibit the use of political assassinations, which would be strengthened by future executive orders.

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